Of late we have had too many people trying to get members to do their homework for them and this is not acceptable conduct in a forum of this type. While the forum is the right place for people learning assembler for 32 bit Windows, it will not be used as a dumping ground for people who want others to do their homework for them. Learners are welcome to post technical questions in the forum and members will help them if they can but just posting problems so that other people can solve them for you will result in the posts being deleted. Note also that 16 bit DOS questions will be moved to the 16 bit DOS forum as the main forum is for 32 bit Windows code.
Well, I see no one has replied (????) so I guess I will.
First, this is in no way an attempt to upset the apple cart. I realize that there are rules set forth by a higher authority than I am.
Second, where I come from we normally hang the librarian and save the books. Knowledge is something we all need and the more we have the better we become at what we are doing.
I guess what I am getting at is would it not have been better to just simply 'lock' the topic from further replies and save the information?
I was following that particular topic because I knew it was something that I was going to have to get into later. Although at the time alot of it was beyond my current understanding, I knew that I would return to it when the time came to use that information to better my next assignment at work. Sadly, (and unfortunate for me) as I returned back to that topic it was gone.
Well, what can I say?
Robert,
Its a "floodgate" style problem, we get from time to time students who see a technical forum as a supply of suckers who will do their homework for them which is an abuse of members who spend time here helping others. On the other hand we have had students in here who were willing to do their own work and they were given whatever assistance the members were able to give.
The rule has been put in place to ensure that the forum does not become a pit of whin"G"ing and grovelling by people who think they are smart enough to get others to do their work for them. Now if there is a topic that you are interested in at some stage in the future, raise the topic and I have no doubt that someone will know something about it.
I put this topic in the Campus so it would be noticed, the rule has been added to the forum rules and it will be enforced if anyone abuses the forum instead of doing their own work.
As the guy who originally joined the forum under the name of Luis Valencia has repeatedly violated the rules, been removed as a member and has repeatedly rejoined using different names and changed his email address and parts of his IP, I ask members not to help him at all. As soon as I find a post he has made, it goes to the scrapheap along with any answers that have been made in it so please do not support this guy as he clearly has no respect for the members or the forum.
Hi Mr. Hutch
How are you ?
I am replying because i am surprised with what happened with Luis Valencia. I saw, some time ago, yourself giving help to him in a topic in the forum (one time). Now, i am seeing you say us that «He has been removed as a member and has repeatedly rejoined using different names and changed his email address and parts of his IP». Well, i think it is not a normal behaviour, at all. I dont know who is him, etc.
Here, i am a simple person, (a member while you want ... ) not more. But i think, with the authority of your age in this matter ( and ...) he would be advised and he would be know that «the members do not help him at all, because ... ». All things clear. Its what i think.
As a teacher i was, one time, i caught a student with a sheet of "remainders" behind his examination paper. What i did was to tell him «you has not a mobile phone !!!». In his exam paper there was two or three lines written only and ... all wrong. I tryed to help him to do some other questions. Learning, is the fundamental question to me. I tryed to be a friend of my pupils, ever.
RuiLoureiro
What it could be, is that students [like this] have lost interest in their course work and so just look for easy ways to get the answers and a passing grade. They don't have that drive that makes them want to learn all the little details of their field. If that is the case, perhaps they should find something more interesting to study, rather than struggle with something they don't like. Because if they graduate without exceptional knowledge in their field, they have to realize that there are probably a few hundred other graduates who DID study and learn their coursework properly... and in the end, an employer is likely going to choose someone with the strongest desire to exceed their training. Who wants to hire a freeloader? :naughty:
RuiLoureiro,
Thanks for your comments but understand how running a forum works, it was set up first for programmers and with the many members who are willing to help other programmers learning assembler, very good quality help is given to any who bother to do their own work. We have had many students through this forum who make the effort and get help doing it but we will never allow people who just dump their problems with the idea of getting others to do their work for them.
Luis was asked first but kept posting stuff that he should have done himself. After he persisted his postings were removed and after he still persisted, his membership was removed. He then multiply joined the forum under different names and when he was banned for doing so he kept changing his email, IP and username to avoid detection and rejoining.
Now if we allow new members to abuse the forum, it will turn away the people who actually do help others which would be a loss to the rest of the members who can use a bit of help from time to time. Luis was given more than enough chances but he kept abusing the rules so he has been removed in a more permenant way.
Hi Mark Jones,
You have reason, but its not the case. There are students that they dont know some matters because they had not opportunity to learn such things before, but they want to know, they want to work. In my opinion, they need some kind of help (to learn not to pass). I knew some others that it is impossible, they dont want to learn, to study. Mark, i know very well what is "working with books" every days, week-ends etc.
Hi Mr. Hucth,
Nice to see you ! I understand you. What a work he does («he kept changing his email, IP and username to avoid detection and rejoining» )! But LuisValencia has a topic in CAMPUS( convert VB ...??? i dont know ).
My regards
Quote from: hutch-- on April 17, 2005, 06:26:21 AM
As the guy who originally joined the forum under the name of Luis Valencia has repeatedly violated the rules, been removed as a member and has repeatedly rejoined using different names and changed his email address and parts of his IP, I ask members not to help him at all. As soon as I find a post he has made, it goes to the scrapheap along with any answers that have been made in it so please do not support this guy as he clearly has no respect for the members or the forum.
Question. In the above post you stated
I ask members not to help him at all. Since he from time to time uses a different name, then how is one to know who he is helping?
mmm, I know some teachers that try to "teach", but they dont teach nothing ;).
For example, I have looked a course in OS introduction (more is how to use Linux.. lot of laught at that... ;) ), but some time the teacher there "give" some introduction to asm with tasm/masm (dunno if have the License for do taht... but I supose that learning in a Institute not break Licenses.... ¿?), OK, anyway, after some time I return to the class (perhaps a week or so less) and I see that there where no clas at all, then I ask my friends there for what there is no class (I have watched the profesor somewhere), they say me because the teacher where angry when he see that a exersise is not understood (another friend pass to do it but isnt ok at all), also a friend ask me if I can understand the example, I say "yes I supose", then I start trying to clean the questions that have for me, I feel a complete missunderstood with what is a label/address, what is a register, what is a interruption, how arguments are passed, where they are returned and a lot of other things, then I say, wath garbage is the teacher trying to do. :), ok, perhaps not garbage but he was thinking that all persons can understand easely when that is a no. Persons learn in diferent ways and that is the answer.
I have watched good and bad teachers all the time, also I have watched good and bad students, but the constant is that all people can learn and teach something to others.
But in what Im in concordance is tha a board is to short for try to help some one like Luis that dosent know what is he doing and where is he doing it.
Hi rea
I appreciate what you said. Like: «some teachers that try to "teach", but they dont teach nothing», «Persons learn in diferent ways», «I have watched good and bad teachers all the time, also I have watched good and bad students, but the constant is that all people can learn and teach something to others» and «..try to help some one like Luis that dosent know what is he doing and where is he doing it».
I had one that passed all the time speaking about our nails etc. I dont teach nothing, now and never! For me, my good teachers was that permit me to learn. I think it is important, too, no? But there are good students dont like to say nothing to their friends, too.
my regards
Noting that Luis is starting to wear out his welcome in the win32asm forum as well for doing exactly what he did in here, the basic distinction has to be drawn on students depending on how they approach their classwork. We have had various students who were front up about doing their assignments and had been willing to do as much of their own work as possible. These students get help from the members because they were willing to try themselves but the ones who dump their assignment into a forum asking other people to do their work for them because they have failed to attend lectures or have not done the own studies properly will get kicked out for their efforts.
This is an assembler forum, not a "do your homework for you" forum, people who try and pass off their problem to others who have nothing to do with it will not get far here. It was not uncommon for some lazy little sh*t to paste in his assignment and his email address and ask members to do the homework for them and send it to their email address. Any who want to take this approach can go to Rentacoder and pay someone to do it for them.
We will see how long SpooK put up with this nonsense before he kicks Luis out as well, when I looked at the win32asm forum this morning 9 topics on the front page were started by LuisValencia so I guess it won't be long.
Hi. Better we keep patient facing a member like that. Dont say anything rude but remove his membership. Maybe a word like, "Please come back here if you have understand the rule" might help it to understand it mistakes.
Quote from: Robert Collins on April 19, 2005, 06:11:14 PM
Since he from time to time uses a different name, then how is one to know who he is helping?
For his most recent identity, if you had not been following his post here and had not seen his posts on the Win32ASM forum, you could not have known. But his manner of asking for the code that he obtained there, and posted here, hoping that someone would make it work, pretty much indicates what he is about:
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How can I know if two numbers are the same
It must return an INT
Int = 1 if they are the same
Int = 0 if are different.
Not "explain to me how it might be done in general", but "give me code that does exactly what is required for my assignment".
http://217.160.247.193/index.php?topic=20959.0
Hmmmmn, I thought this was a place for help and learning.
I agree that if someone wants people here to do their homework then we should just ignore the question
or suggest they "search" the forum for the answer.
Im not sure I agree with the "removal" of people for doing this. After all, its a public forum.
I guess Im saying this because sometimes I ask stupid/simple questions and I might be "removed" for
homework like requests ;)
James,
Everyone has asked a question that they though was a stupid question but this is not the problem, its people who abuse the goodwill of members who regularly help others out that is the problem. It is HIS responsibility to learn what he needs for his schoolwork and if he is to lazy to do his own work, it is unreasonable for members to have this burden imposed on them as a consequence.
People who help themselves get help, lazy people fail at their schoolwork for not doing their own work in the first place and our members are not going to be used as a convenience to prop them up because they are too lazy to do their own research.
Gotcha.
Hutch, you are so darn correct. :toothy
Quote from: MichaelW on April 20, 2005, 04:49:59 AM
...... But his manner of asking for the code that he obtained there, and posted here, hoping that someone would make it work, pretty much indicates what he is about:
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How can I know if two numbers are the same
It must return an INT
Int = 1 if they are the same
Int = 0 if are different.
[/qoute]
Not "explain to me how it might be done in general", but "give me code that does exactly what is required for my assignment".
I'm not opposed to forum policies and I know there must be rules to maintain the integerty of the forum but I am technical, not political, so I would not view such a question (as the above example shows) as "give me code that does exactly what is required for my assignment". but I would see it as "explain to me how it might be done in general". This is exactly the opposite as you saw it.
As I browse the forum topics, I, being a newbi myself, would not look at such a question in the same manner as you or a more advanced member would. Yes, I was following that topic but I was interested in the subject of the topic and not the manner in which a question is posted or who posted the request. It never entered my mind that there was a problem there with that particular member until Hutch stepped in and made his post.
In the general sense, If I see a question and I just happen to know the answer then I would be very happy to post my answer without any bias opinion(s) about the requester. In fact, I usually don't even think too much about who posted the question but more so about the question itself. My answer, from my point of view, is to help not only the requester but anyone else who could benfit from it.
OK, just one more time and then I am off this topic.
I can say, and I am sure most of us here will agree, that this is the best forum I have ever been a member of. It is because of people like Hutch who has given so much of their time to develope and build this site to what it is. He could not do this if it wasn't for certain ground rules that he has had to implement into maintaining the integrity of this site. Sure, we are human and we all have opinions and thoughts that may or may not be in agreeance with others. I don't always agree with others and others don't always agree with me but in the end it appears that we all have reached a common goal. I do believe that Hutch has given much thought in laying down the rules and policies. That doesn't mean I am always happy with the end results and it doesn't mean I always agree but I know it is for the best of maintaining this site and for the better of it's members. Yes, this is a public forum but sidewalks are also public and that doesn't mean you should write on them either. If members abuse the forum then I say let Hutch deal with it as he sees fit wheather I or anyone agrees with it or not. If he didn't then we would wind up with one of those 'other' types of forums that I have had the unfortunate experience of being a member.
Like I stated in the previous post I am purely technical and I want to keep it that way. Thank goodness for Hutch that I have this site to visit and aquire knowledge from the good members here who are so willing to give their advise and help.
Hello Robert,
I agree with you on the part that if I see people asking for help, I would try to help if I know the answer. But I think there is a limit to how much help that one can provide. It is all volunteerary here. If you ask me, I am pretty irritated with the fact that people are just driven by their deadlines for their assembly assignment and not asking question for the saking of learning assembly.
Yes I was once a newbie - who wasn't? But I wasn't driven by deadlines to complete an assignment (I'm still pursing my A level - still far from getting a university degree) but passion and the willingness to learn. I am willing to help people who were like me. But I find it difficult to get myself to help people who are not willing to help themselves in the first place. People who don't bother to read up and (re)search for themselves.
Generally I agree with Hutch on his rule. I hate people who shove their assignments into our face and demand us to code it for them. Who are we to them? Who is the one getting the degree/diploma? Us or them? Hutch is right - we should not be doing *their* assignment. I would not mind if they ask questions that are related to aquiring of knowledge (assembly coding).
I long ago learnt that behind every nick name is a human being who has their reasons for frequenting the internet and with a forum like this one, many make the effort to help others out and the place works fine because members can extend the normal goodwill to others. The forum was based on the idea that people respect each other and it has rules aimed at avioding many of the known problems.
The Campus has its own rules to protect learners from some of the nonesense that has gone on in other places where learners were treated like idiots. This prevents the patronising bullsh*t you used to hear from script kiddies and the like. When it comes to new members, most here try to help but when you have a new member that just treats the forum like a facility to exploit to their own advantage, they are treating the members like functions to their own lifestyle rather than as another human being and these are factors that have destroyed forums in the past.
Someone who comes in here and treats the members like some function they need to prop up their own requirements will in fact be treated like a function, IE : Nuisance and given the opportunity to find another place where they can be a pest.
Quote from: hutch-- on April 20, 2005, 02:54:13 AM
We have had various students who were front up about doing their assignments and had been willing to do as much of their own work as possible.
Looks like pbrennick has been a bit harsh then: http://www.masmforum.com/simple/index.php?topic=303.0
The guy was unsure about the homework rules, so he said that if it the assignment couldn't be done for him, he would be happy to learn about cross-linking.
Understand this that people who try get help, while our friend was not rude or pushy, he came in with no content but was asking how to perform the basic task. It is the responsibility of the student to get enough from the teacher to do the task, not the responsibility of this forum to fill it out for him.
This is finally a forum for assembler programmers and while it goes out of its way to help people learning assembler, it is not in place for this task.
Guyz you have damn lot of time!
I would not have started a topic like this at all, since such homework bearing guys will turn up time to time, and there is no safe solution for this. However I believe this actions are really minor to those which are adequate in a forum like this.
Browsing among the topics I found a few 'please help me with my homework' topics, and they had very few (2-3) posts. So I think the mainstream of the board does not deal with such guys and such requests.
This is not an issue worth to chat about, so I finish my post right now!
Greets to everyone!
Gábor
I agree with this no homework rule; it doesn't help the student if they are given the answer outright -- this means that if they are required to do a similar task later they wont be able to do it, or incorporate the knowledge they should have learnt.
By the way, I am simply interested in Assembly, I like the idea of having such control over the system. The only other programming language I have used very much is BASIC (QBasic, I loved that on my old DOS 33Mhz PC :bg). I am 18 years old, from England (I am half Australian through my Father who is from Perth, WA), and I am not studying programming or Assembly anywhere (it is purely an interest).
I know nobody will really care about this information but I haven't really given a formal introduction yet! :boohoo:
Thank you, Hutch, for keeping the standards high. At the age of 47, I retired from the Army and went to college. After receiving my degree in composite science, I now teach Chemistry in a High School for those who are academic challenged. I get very upset with my students who try to copy from other students on their daily activity because they simply do not learn anything when they do.
Keep up the good work with this forum. I learn alot and hope, oneday, I can contribute as most of your regulars do.
Jim
Jim,
You are welcome, we had to stop a common form of nonsense where someone would join, dump their homework problem on anyone they could and expected members to do their homework for them and email it to them.
We are more than happy to help people who are learning but we cannot allow members to be used as conveniences by those who are too lazy to do their own work.
Hutch, what are the current names of the people who are doing this.
Fortunately there aren't any blatant ones any longer. For the obvious reason, I am not in a position to start naming people in the forum but you can be sure that the team that run the forum are well tuned to any attempts to con our members into doing their homework. Students are welcome here and members will help them but no-one will do their homework for them.
could we give then really nast shitty code that does something else or doesn't work at all
Quote from: ninjarider on August 24, 2005, 03:56:50 PM
could we give then really nast shitty code that does something else or doesn't work at all
You have no mercy, ninjarider
well we could give them the idea of what to do. and if they use the code we give them it doesn't work or is does somthing that there instructor would know that they didn't do it.
yeah i can be a little cruel at times
Like give them some obfsucated code that prints "Copyright(C)2005 MASM32 Project?" :bg
There really isn't any need to punish these people. They're already punishing themselves far worse by not learning what they're supposed to. When the time comes for them to use what they should have learned, they will fail and that's that. It is said that "Experienced people do not fail." But "Experience is gained from failure." Failure is a necessity of life. It is omittable in certain circumstances, however.
well. i would like for them fo fail there class as well. not just at life.
Quote from: Mark Jones on August 24, 2005, 06:25:34 PM
Like give them some obfsucated code that prints "Copyright(C)2005 MASM32 Project?" :bg
:bdg
Even better:
push 4620h
push 6E612073h
push 65767265h
push 73656420h
push 6568532Fh
push 65482021h
push 676E6974h
push 61656863h
push 20736920h
push 746E6564h
push 75747320h
push 73696854h
mov eax, esp
push 0
push eax
push eax
push 0
call MessageBoxA
yeah something like that
This is an English language forum so dont abse anyone in here in Spanish simply because they will not do your work for you.
SALUDOS.
:tdown
There are many people,who still refuse to realize that the only way to getting better in each every day is learning, That's way they publish their homeworks (the whole code's of them) ,not just ask or trying to get help,they just want their code to be writted by someone else.
Yes,it true, i dont have many post's ,but so far i've try hard in every one of them to be usefull for somebody, i've publish examples and replies only when they helps and i want to say something to people,hidding behind their homeworks: See the examples and sources in the forum or anywhere else, learn'em pretty good,get the tutorials,read the books.Yeap,EVERY START IS HARD,but once you've started it's getting easier in every single line of code,written BY YOU and nobody else!!! Thank you !
I understand the Campus, and love the forum. But maybe you shouldn't call it a NO homework rule, but HELP ONLY with homework rule, since after all, this is the CAMPUS.
After all, if people need help with their homework, shouldn't they feel free to discuss their problems here. Besides, if this is how bad they bug US, just imagine being the teacher!! HAHA
I just spent the last three months of last spring tutoring students on Math and Web Design at Grays Harbor Community College in my hometown, so I have a very open-sharing mind as far as helping with homework goes, but I still have the attitude that the student should do ALL the necessary work in LEARNING on their own.
People don't usually need help, or for someone to do their homework for them...they just need NUDGING...come on, you can do it! I do this to myself all the time in programming.
:green
Hope this helps people understand learners,
Jeff C
P.S. Hope even the educated realize they are still learning everyday too.
:wink
Jeff,
The reason for the rule is a few people abuse the support from members and won't do their own work. There is the grovelling, then the multiple postings, some post email addresses for some sucker to post their homework to and instead of making the effort to learn the material they are supposed to learn, they just keep hammering away driving everyone nuts.
Learners are welcome here and get support from members but lazy people who won't do their own work eventually get shown the door if they persist in making a nuisance of themselves.
IN ENGLISH - EN INGLES
PLEASE HUTCH DON'T WRITTE THINGS FOR MY, I NEVER SAY THAT.THIS FORUM IS FOR HELP PEOPLE WITH HIS CODE NO ???
I PUT MY CODE, I ASK FOR HELP, SOME PEOPLE HELP ME, SOME PEOPLE ONLY WAS UNPOLITE, LIKE YOU.
SOME PEOPLE LIKE ME, DON'T KNOW ANYTING ABOUT THIS PROGRAM, AND YOU ASSUME THAT I'M A EXPERT.
IN SPANISH - EN ESPAÑOL
POR FAVOR HUTCH NO ESCRIBAS COSAS POR MI, YO NUNCA DIJE ESO.
ESTE FORO ES PARA AYUDAR A LA GENTE CON SU CODIGO NO ??
PUSE MI CODIGO EN ESTE FORO ALGUNAS PERSONAS ME AYUDARON (MUCHAS GRACIAS A ELLOS) Y OTRAS PERSONAS FUERON GROSERAS COMO VOS.
EL QUE PONGA CODIGOS ACA NO QUIERE DECIR QUE SOY UN EXPERTO, NO ASUMAN ESO, DE HECHO NO SE NADA DE ESTE PROGRAMA.
Quote from: chola on September 28, 2005, 04:59:59 AM
This is an English language forum so dont abse anyone in here in Spanish simply because they will not do your work for you.
SALUDOS.
:tdown
« Last Edit: Today at 01:32:33 AM by hutch-- »
Never assume that this forum is run for anyone else than its members and the rule is in place to protect members from various forms of abuse. If you need to learn how to perform multiplication in assembler, instead of dumping a pile of junk in here, try making the effort to find out WHAT to learn and then LEARN it. The full set of Intel manuals are available for all of the instructions so its not like you have an excuse for not learning this stuff.
The instructions you need for multiplication are DIV and IDIV for integer multiply and there are FP instructions if you require FP precision. Every member here has had to learn the instructions so its not like you are the only one and if you make te effort, members will help you but if I see one more posting that is ALL CAPITALS I will delete it and if you persist with this style of posting your membership will be removed as well.
The "No Homework" rule is not negotiable and te members will not be used or abuse in te manner you have attempted.
I agree with you, Hutch. Some people take a while to learn things, myself included. I think it is especially difficult for beginners. I have a lot more patience than some of the other members...In teaching you absolutely must have patience.
I had one student from Mexico studying for his GED, I helped him every week (one day a week, usually three hours), and he had been studying for eight years!! He said that I helped him progress more quickly than anyone, even teachers he had previously!
Anyways, I salute you for keeping these members new and old in line! HAHA :dance:
It must have it's moments, but this board is actually great! I've almost logged 24 hours on here now!
:8)
Keep the faith (in programmers...),
Jeff C
:dazzled:
Sidenote to Chola:
I just noticed Hutch posted in your downline, he wasn't specifically talking about your posts, I believe he deleted the posts of others who were not so friendly to you.
Keep learning,
Jeff C
Guys! Guys! Guys!
Again this topic is starting to be about something that has nothing to do with the original purpose of the Campus at all.
I can just repeat myself, as I wrote it before:
There always will be newbies, who will try to get their homework done. The only safe solution against that would be if no member would finish those works for them. Well this depends on us, the members.
My experience is, that correcting codes, or writing whole algos for someone else is really scarce. It's true I met some "what is wrong with my code" topics and answers which tried to correct the whole code (not pointing out the problems in the code), but this is definitly not frequent.
I think if someone is asking a very simple thing, something we all had to get through some time it is not impolite to tell this person, that there are really good documentations to search thru for the answers. I happend to bump into questions, that are 100% answered in the WinAPI help. I suggested for the questioner to look for the answer in this help...
If the problem is more complex then I don't see why it should not be brought here, to the forum. Thinking about complex problems we all learn a bit, or at least keep our brains on training.
Now, who should decide what is a simle and what is a complex task? I guess that's why there is the Campus, and the Workshop/Laboratory...
Briefly: I would say let the forum be as it is, it works quite well, there are some problems, but significally not around homeworks...
Well, I must emphasize: all these are my opinions, I didn't mean to insult or support anybody. And I must admit, I don't know how difficult is to moderate the forums, to ensure that a topic is in its right place, on the right forum.
Chola!
I must support Hutch in public: I fully trust Hutch in matters about the forums. He has done such a work, that it seems almost impossible to me, that he could be so rude that you offend him in public. When someone has a (personal) trouble with a person, I suggest to write a personal message first.
It is true tthat your division/multiplication questions were fully basic questions (these are explained in every asm book or tutorial for beginners).
I am not insulting you, but giving you an advice: learn the basics, the instructions, addressing, asm syntax... take the time and read some books, tutorials, documentaions and get some example codes, analyze them. (There are hundreds on the Internet) This is what I did and do even now (I hope not about the basics anymore :) ) and this is what everyone did here...
Greets, Gábor
Ok gabor, i think your ideas are correct, my sin is my ignorance to this program.
yes!, there are a lot of tutorials, but everithing in english, that a problem to my, because i speak spanish, and is more difficult to me the tecnical english, but that not is an excuse. I only say that, help people although the problem be easy for you. for me, the add, sub, mult, div, is difficult because i only work for 30 days with this program, for example i can work with the division, because i don't understand where the values go, how i can make the conversion of the numbers, etc.
To all of you congratulation you are very good in this program, but give a chance to other person to learn, some people learn faster than other.
To my programming is very difficult.
if i offend somebody forgive me.
i only say recomend something, try to be patient with the people who post messages here, try to help, the homework or job is the reason the people visit that page. dont' be selfish.
To all the people who help me with the "simple add" thanks !!
thanks to this help i can do de sub and the mult.
Quote from: chola on September 30, 2005, 04:55:52 PM
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yes!, there are a lot of tutorials, but everithing in english, that a problem to my, because i speak spanish, and is more difficult to me the tecnical english, but that not is an excuse.
[...]
Boy, if you´re not able to speak or write english you´re in deepest trouble.
If you still did not realize: the world speaks english.
Today I´ve been in france at a company called ANEVIA and I spoke english with them all the time. I live in the "Saarland" which is a small "state" in germany next to france.
Consider it as a kind of standart.
If you´re not able to speak english I urge you to take some classes and learn it. There is nothing left for you. If you want to success in that business you MUST be able to speak and write in english at least to understand other people.
As you may (or not) see, my english is not the best but I can understand people and they understand me - that is the thing that counts, nothing else.
Communication is everything in the world this time. If you can not express yourself to others, you will fell off behind.
I don´t know what happened in the meanwhile and why you posted in this thread but I just want to give you and others a small hint.
What would people say if I started to post in german? English is todays most common language.
Regards
Mnemonic!
I have to correct you!
The world speaks hungarian!!! I do not write this is not because I am a hungarian :green
Okay, I must accept that untill the rest of the world realizes this fact, we should learn foreign languages. :bg
I too would suggest learning english in the first place. To bad that english is such a new and simple language, but I am positive this is one of the reasons of its glorious conquest...
For a coder it is irrelevant what language the world speaks. What only matters is that the language of computer science is english.
I didn't want to insult any native english speakers. I do like english. But about the language this was a fact I read or heard several times.
Greets, Gábor
:bg
I would not worry too much, I speak a dialect of English called Australian and unless I work at it, most "English" speakers from other countries would not understand what I was saying.
Well,hutch ,I speak a dialect of English called Bulgarian ,but it's ok :lol
hmmm... I always thought Bulgarian is a part of Slavic languages family rather than of Germanic (like english..)
It is,arafel,i'm just jokin' .What i'm tryin' to say is that no matter how exactly people's english is correct, we will still understandin' each other if
we want to. :U