What a terrible day for America!
http://progressivetoo.com/2011/08/08/video-tea-party-cheers-for-downgrade/
In yesterday's Los Angeles Times was an interesting quote from a U.S. Senator in this article: U.S. Credit Downgrade Unlikely To Fix Logjam in Congress (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-us-debt-rating-20110807,0,1783394,full.story):
Quote from: Senator Bernie SandersI find it interesting to see S&P so vigilant now in downgrading the U.S. credit rating,...Where were they four years ago when they and other credit rating agencies helped cause this horrendous recession by providing AAA ratings to worthless subprime mortgage securities on behalf of Wall Street investment firms?"
From the recent posts I've read on the subject, I think we can ALL AGREE ON THIS:
The Tea Party members and their affiliates are INSANE,... :eek
It's the insane wing-nuts on both ends of the spectrum that are the problem, and that polarize the debate. Perhaps putting the interests of the country ahead of vested interests would be a good place to start.
Perhaps Col. Sanders would prefer they stay asleep at the wheel and not learn from history, or perhaps he forgets where the pressure to give everyone a loan came from.
Perhaps we should interpret the S&P downgrade as Paul Revere shouting the "Chinese are coming..", and they want their money back.
So....exactly what is insane about demanding fiscal responsibility from politicians and a reduction in the national debt?
The politicians don't want to take any responsibility, perhaps if they had to live under the same rules as everyone else they might be better focused, whether it's their own taxes, health care, or pension, they have their own rules and benefits. So much for "of the people, by the people, for the people'
Quote from: ASMGHOSTSo....exactly what is insane about demanding fiscal responsibility from politicians and a reduction in the national debt?
Excellent. I was being facetious in my above comment. And, there is nothing insane about demanding fiscal responsibility from politicians and a reduction in the national debt. It might have been the sane thing to do thirty years ago,...instead of waiting until the problem was nearly catastrophic. The annual deficits incurred during the George W. Bush administration as a result of two decade long wars were so fiscally irresponsible that it defies imagination,...
What's insane is how they insisted we do it and that we do it right now when the economy is in such bad shape. Anyone who knows anything about economics will tell you that spending cuts are exactly what we don't need with the economy the way it is. We should be eliminating tax cuts for the super-rich and for corporations, cutting military spending and most of all we should be raising some revenues. The Republicans and the Tea Party have said their first priority is to see President Obama fail, unfortunately they are bringing the whole country down in the process.
Quote from: GREGLWe should be eliminating tax cuts for the super-rich and for corporations and cutting military spending and most of all we should be raising revenues.
Exactly. That's a pretty sensible approach,...and, fairly obvious, too. You'd think that our well-educated legislators would see it the same way.
I would be careful about open-ended statements that we need to raise revenues. Keep in mind that unlike the wealthy and the corporations the middle-class taxpayers have no way to bite back.
Quote from: MichaelWthe middle-class taxpayers have no way to bite back.
They can remove their money from the system and sit on it. It's not as if the banks are paying any interest, and the stock market is going backward. You have inflation, you could hedge that with metals, I guess. Take it in old quarters. It would have more impact than you think.
The stock market will probably be back shortly once we get used to the new normal, it's not as if anything in the US economy has fundamentally changed in the last week. The people cheering right now are those hawking gold and silver.
There are a couple of ways to reduce the debt for the US, get out of the two disasterous wars that are bleeding the country dry and use the US military for what it was originally intended, to defend the US from attack. Much lower cost, much more effective and comfortably within the US capacity to maintain economically. The second is to rein in the Federal Reserve and not use US taxpayers money, life savings, pensions and welfare entitlements to bail out the banks thatcontrol the Federal Reserve.
Until the US takes control of its own currency again it will always be at the mercy of the same banks and bankers that PHUKED over the US in late 2007.
Actually Clive's comment is close to the truth here, a vast number of people I know have their money sitting in cash as it will not collapse overnight. Those brave enough to still keep investing in the market are staying very close to the door so they can get their money out fast and most have learnt that with an artificially fluctuating market, the ups con the suckers and the down fleece them so you just keep fiddling the market up and down and you make money out of it. Now pull the money out into cash and they (big banks etc ...) have nothing like the leverage on your assetts.
In OZ the general trend is to personally reduce debt and save your money at the moment, it is stuffing the retailers big time but many of the greedy bastards deserve it after years of price gouging their customer base. Manipulating money does nothing for an economy, it just sucks more money out of it and interferes with its function by restricting the flow of working capital. For the US specifically the founding fathers had a very good grasp of these problem and constructed the US constitution to protect Americans from these abuses, it took 200 years but shitty politicians found enough ways to bypass the constitutional protections and rip the whole country off.
Quote from: clive on August 08, 2011, 10:58:47 PM
Perhaps Col. Sanders would prefer they stay asleep at the wheel and not learn from history, or perhaps he forgets where the pressure to give everyone a loan came from.
There you go again clive, foot in mouth disease? And again the first one to hop off the turnip truck. :tdown
I watched the Democrats bend over backwards to try and reach a deal with the tea bagger backed Republican controlled house even offering to put deep cuts to our entitlements, those things we seniors have paid into over our lifetimes, on the table in return for very modest tax increases on the ultra rich. The tea bagger hostage takers would have nothing to do with any such thing as compromise. They want Republican politicians to cut life long earned entitlements yet absolutely zero revenue increases for the wealthiest of us. How can they claim they are serious about deficit and debt reduction when they refused to agreed to a reasonable compromise? No, they were ready to undermine the good name and credit of the United States to further their Republican ideological agenda. Well, they succeeded. I am absolutely convinced that the market drop and the S&P downgrade is a sign that investors are worried about the fanatical suicide bombers in the Republican tea bagger controlled house who have resorted to blackmail to get their way.
Quote from: Bill CravenerThere you go again clive, foot in mouth disease? And again the first one to hop off the turnip truck.
Yeah, keep pounding with the mean spirited vitriol, you know it feels good.
Quote from: clive on August 09, 2011, 01:02:38 PM
Yeah, keep pounding with the mean spirited vitriol, you know it feels good.
Oh, yes indeed clive, I shall continue my vitriol (caustic) comments towards the tea baggers and the Republican party, after all as an American citizen (I was born and raised here you know) it is one of my inalienable rights to do so. But, unlike you I do not attack members of this board directly as you seem to enjoy. So you go ahead and keep sticking that foot in your mouth buddy, I'm listening. :bg
Here is a very good short read about the tea baggers and how Americans are beginning to feel about them hostage taking terrorists.
Tea Party Takes a Hit in Debt Ceiling Debate (http://my.firedoglake.com/sjgulitti/)
Firedoglake?
Really?
Why not just ask Wasserman Shultz for a comment on the Tea Party?
You'd have a better chance of hearing less bias.
I have never ever hid my left-progressive/left-liberal stance. If you don't like it don't read it ghost.
Quote from: Bill Cravener on August 09, 2011, 07:54:46 PM
I have never ever hid my left-progressive/left-liberal stance. If you don't like it don't read it ghost.
Hey, have all the left-progressive/left-liberal stance you want, no skin off my nose.
At the same time I got a right to point out when people are being grievously mislead.
I feel that we shouldn't put the blame on the Tea Party. What have they done? Honestly people.
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Quote from: asmGhost on August 09, 2011, 08:15:09 PM
At the same time I got a right to point out when people are being grievously mislead.
Yes you do! But, please explain to me what do the New York Times and CBS Polls have to do with the left leaning firedoglake site? They are simply commenting on those polls. Such as: Forty percent of those polled this week characterized their view as "not favorable," compared with 18 percent in the first poll." Or that: "In the most recent poll, most Americans took a negative view of the debt-ceiling negotiations, seeing them as "mostly about gaining political advantage." With Republicans in charge of the House, more of the blame fell on them. And many people — a 43 percent plurality — saw the Tea Party as having too much influence on Republicans. But a plurality of independents, too — 40 percent — viewed the Tea Party negatively, and said it had too much influence on the Republican Party." This same poll found that the public's disapproval of how Congress is handling its job is at a record all time high of 82 percent. Republicans, thanks to their Tea Party affiliation took a bigger hit than did the Democrats and a far larger hit than President Obama himself.
So are you saying those statements are untrue or outright lies that firedoglake has posted?
They claim that 40 percent polled report a negative about something yet neglect to comment on the 60% that what?
Approve, don't know, never heard of?
Last I checked 60% is slightly more than 40%...ain't it?
The bias and desire to report a negative is evident and really the whole article is misleading.
However, there are really bigger things to think about so if you honestly believe that FDL is the be all end all then have at, I have voiced my objections and am ready to move on.
Like.....explaining how it's possible to tax and spend a country into prosperity.
The twist and turns on that one should be fascinating.
Last time I checked 40% was way larger then 18%. Here, perhaps coming from the originators mouth will help clarify.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/05/us/politics/05teaparty.html
By the way, you say you are almost as old as Steve (I am 60 years of age)? Are you an American? Are you concerned that Republicans want to kill SS and Medicare? Or are you so wealthy that it does not matter to you?
Fox News has been reporting on a poll that says Obama's approval rating is at 40%, by your standard then that is significant.
QuoteAre you concerned that Republicans want to kill SS and Medicare? Or are you so wealthy that it does not matter to you?
Another distortion.
Also what makes you think I'm a Republican?
It doesn't take a Republican to see that both programs need serious reform.
well - the author of that article is clearly biased anti-tea party
but, who isn't biased one way or the other ?
if you want un-biased information, you have to read from both sides of the issue
no matter whose article you read, you have to have a "bias filter" going on in your head for every sentance
the same is true about watching the news or reading the paper, in general
unless they are talking about the weather, information we receive is almost always biased
quite often, the bias is as simple as what is said and what is left out
they have that political quiz going on in another forum thread
similarly, which questions are asked, which are not, and how they are phrased will bias the result
the people that do these questionaires and studies are always monitarily motivated (possible exception: students)
they want the results to make their own point, and they are usually successful
The truth is that this is what it's all about really.
QuoteOr are you so wealthy that it does not matter to you?
Very few actually inherit wealth.
Believe or not a lot of people come to a comfortable living by hard work, sacrifice and decades of scrimping and saving. All just to be able to live a decent retirement with some dignity.
And yet here you have puffing and fuming over the fact that there might be some folks out there who are a little reluctant to pick up the tab for others bad behaviour.
Where ever I'm at "wealth wise" is a condition of my own making, my own choices.
Why then, if I should run out of wealth (if I have any), be entitled to reach over and pick it out of the pocket of someone else who is sacrificing, scrimping and saving for their own little piece of dignity?
By the same token why should we as a country leave our children and their childrens children indebted for our bad behaviour?
Makes me wonder who is actually insane.
Quote from: dedndave on August 09, 2011, 10:00:32 PM
well - the author of that article is clearly biased anti-tea party
but, who isn't biased one way or the other ?
It's all relative. Many observers see U.S. "left" democrats as "conservatives" by European standards. In fact, many of the headlines here in Europe concerning the U.S. deal with things that are just very, very strange for the average European, such as "intelligent design" taught in schools, climate change deniers, kids who accidentally kill their parents with guns lying around, death penalty, etc etc - Europeans see Americans like a kind of Alien race. This in spite of the fact that we get regularly fed with American TV series (I love Boston Legal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Legal), of course :bg)
As to "hard work pays": :cheekygreen:
(ask Paulson (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704681904576313220963273398.html) for an informed opinion - he has created real value for society)
it isn't so much hard work that makes a person wealthy
it's more about where you draw the line between ethics and morals
let's face it, for someone (or some company) to make a profit, someone else is getting the short end of the deal
you can easily follow the rules of "business ethics" and break the rules of "decent morality"
lawyers, insurance companies, oil companies, bankers, and politicians live in this immorally ethical grey area every day
they make billions by screwing someone - lol - but, they do it within the guidelines of acceptable business ethics (or so it seems)
this is how i view business college...
you are not learning so much about how to make a good business
you are learning how to play the game and come out on top
::)
So basically if you have money you're evil, if you have your hand out your good.
OK, gotcha...I'll just go back to reading and fumbling around with code.
Sorry to bother you guys.
it's not having money
it's having more money than you could possibly spend in a life-time
this seperates those who may even have a few million from those who have several billion
they screwed someone (usually, the working class)
"evil" isn't the word i chose - that's your word - don't put it in my mouth
i used the terms "moral" and "ethical"
...When I read this,...I laughed,...
Quote from: JOCHENIn fact, many of the headlines here in Europe concerning the U.S. deal with things that are just very, very strange for the average European, such as "intelligent design" taught in schools, climate change deniers, kids who accidentally kill their parents with guns lying around, death penalty, etc etc - Europeans see Americans like a kind of Alien race.
That's pretty damn accurate. You cannot believe what it's like to actually live here,...Everybody's angry all the time,...and, they're not even clear as to why that should be happening. Every goddamn day, it's a tsunami of stupidity and shit that's so trivial and pointless you'd think the whole world was hopelessly psychotic,...it's like they've regressed back into childhood.
it is an old concept, but it comes up a lot..if I screwed you,it was nothing personal,just business. That was a line from the movie "Taken"
Where the main guy responsible for the main characters daughter being kidnapped says "it wasen't personal,its just business" right before the main goodguy shoots him and says "its personal!!"
To a foreigner (ME Aussie) there is something blatantly obvious about the changes in the US over the last 15 years or so. When Clinton was in office the US was prosperous, safe, stable and well respected internationally. 2 terms of Bush saw two unwinnable wars started, fascist level control of Americans with the Patriot Act, progressive bleeding of American finances with the banking sector who control the Federal Reserve and the final rape and pillage of the US economy in late 2007 with the bank bailouts.
Obama did not create the situation that the US is in at the moment, the damage was done by Bush and his cronies. Effectively Obama was handed the poisoned chalice and has been very limited in what he could do about the mess that Bush left. He has wound down the Iraq war and appears to be acting to wind down the Afghanistan war as well but most of the economic damage is already done and the massive profits derived from these two wars have gone overseas. Is it any surprise the Haliburton is now based in Dubai ?
i know!!!
we can pull all the troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and invake Dubai - take all our money back :U
i know damned well all the board members live in the US :P
they should be paying taxes, if they are any kind of "patriots"
(patriotism was a key issue in the elections where they jammed their buddies bush and cheney into the white house)
of course, the money is probably in Switzerland - we'll invade them, too :bg
neutral, my ass
asmghost,
What set of circumstances is when we need to change things?
Increasing taxes will not help on this, as the mega corporations just keep the money out of the USA. For example, Apple keeping billions in Europe, and Google having an equivalent of 2.4% tax rate in the USA. Instead, why not focus on helping the small to middle size companies whose assets are on the USA as they are the ones creating jobs and keeping the money inside. Make it as simple as possible for a small to medium company to do business in the USA, And make it difficult for those companies that keep the assets outside (where they cannot be effectively taxed).
Government has made many mistakes. But, IMBO, the biggest one was to bail out the banks. If a bank holding mortgages goes out of business, the would mean that the cost of property would have lower. But since they where bail out, the cost of property still remains artificially high (compared with the average salary). This in turn means that less people can afford to buy a home and instead are forced in the circle of rent paying. Which means that the money did not get to average joe. When government bails our an irresponsible party, it harms a responsible party.
Money (as means of conveniently interchange resources) if the bloodline of an economy. When it does not flow, the economy health lowers. When it stop flowing, the economy have a hearth attack. And if it stops for a while the economy disintegrates. Keeping the money in a few, is the equivalent of lowering the amount of blood circulating.
Capitalism only works when the failed enterprises are allowed to fail. Otherwise, if just a rigged game that only helps a few, while hinders the rest. So I guess we should made up our minds of what we are. Are we a capitalistic society or are we a socialist society. Being both just bring the worse of both worlds.
Quote from: xanatose on August 10, 2011, 06:57:02 AMIncreasing taxes will not help on this, as the mega corporations just keep the money out of the USA.
Right, but there are taxes you cannot avoid. For example, European countries tax fuel - try getting tax-free fuel for your car here, it is kind of difficult...
Or take land ownership: Tax any land that exceeds, say, 10,000 square metres per person or corporate identity. You cannot take your land to Dubai...
Tax alcohol and cigarettes, and Marihuana; and an economist with a strong neoclassical ideological stance would say, cocaine and heroine and other dangerous stuff, too - why leave that revenue to the mafia?
Not by accident, the
least efficient tax in terms of evasion,
income tax, is still dominating in OECD countries. Guess why :toothy
There are some other nice tricks to get income distribution back to normal, but that would be over the top for an assembly forum ;-)
> Make it as simple as possible for a small to medium company to do business in the USA, And make it difficult for those companies that keep the assets outside (where they cannot be effectively taxed).
There is great wisdom in this suggestion but as long as the big end of town have the political clout, they will fight it tooth and nail to keep their advantages. Here is OZ back in the late 90s a federal government introduced a tax system for small business that was designed to drive them to the wall, an accounting system so complex and heavy handed that it was beyond the capacity of many small family businesses. They did it by forcing small family businesses to have the same accounting methods as massive corporations who have far more complex accounting needs than a family sized business.
It did the job for the corporate sector and drove a vast number o small businesses to the wall. Then they have another trick, changing government regulation to directly suit the interests of corporations at the expense of small business. Many successful small businesses wee driven to the wall with massive costs to satisfy the newer and ever more complex regulations that were put in place.
The way to kill small business is to price it out of existence with massive workloads and ever increasing government charges, taxes, compulsory insurance and so on until they just give up and shut down.
BANK OF AMERICA: In 2009, Bank of America didn't pay a single penny in federal income taxes. BOEING: Despite receiving billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies from the U.S. government they didn't pay a dime of U.S. income taxes between 2008 and 2010. CITIGROUP: Citigroup's deferred income taxes for the third quarter of 2010 amounted to a grand total of $0.00. EXXON-MOBIL: The oil giant uses offshore subsidiaries in the Caribbean to avoid paying any taxes in the United States. WELLS FARGO: Despite being the fourth largest bank in the country pay little or nothing in taxes. And on and on it goes. Its nuts!
These days I find it difficult to say the words "I'm proud to be an American". Its a sad thing that we are pretty near to becoming a fascists country.
I guess George Carlin had it right (warning profanity): http://youtu.be/acLW1vFO-2Q
I personally would like to see Eisenhower's tax plan re implemented. As a Republican, he increased taxes to 93%.
here is a link with more info on Ike.
If Ike were here again, I'd vote Republican.
blueworksbetter.com/EisenhowerFlamingLiberal (http://blueworksbetter.com/EisenhowerFlamingLiberal)
yep,
IKE was one of the best and the only recent Republican that was decent.
Bill, nothing wrong with being an American, its just you have lousy gutless politicians.
I remember Ike, I was but a boy watching him on the families black and white TV. :bg
QuoteBill, nothing wrong with being an American, its just you have lousy gutless politicians.
I agree Steve, its just that I get fed up with the right insisting that the wealthy not pay there fair share by refusing to not increase taxes on those who have benefited the most from this country. Bush and his cronies two unfunded wars and the Bush tax cuts to the rich and the loopholes big corp use to steal from the average American are what brought us to this mess. I remember you and me getting into big augments with those members from the right over at that other asm board and you and I both knew this mess would come to be because of the Bush administrations arrogance.
By the way, this new CNN/ORC International Poll says that most Americans agree that the rich should pay more and some two-thirds polled say that politician's best not monkey with SS and Medicare.
New CNN Poll: Majority want tax increase for wealthy (http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/10/new-cnn-poll-majority-want-tax-increase-for-wealthy-and-deep-spending-cuts)
I have a similar long memory Bill, i made a lot of enemies and was targetted with a lot of nasty sh*t from that bunch of kissarse cockroaches but I notice they are strangely silent these days. They were all mouth when Bush and his cronies were raping US taxpayers and attacking US civil liberties but when they did the final pillage in 2007 the same set of cockroaches were PHUKED over by him as well. I guess there is some justice in the world, just a shame that ordinary decent Amricans have to pay for it as well.
This is kinda cool. Watched a story about a couple that were being forclosed on by Bank of America,even though they had NO morgage,place was paid for in cash. They went to court to stop this action and won. The bank was told to pay their court costs($3,000), but didn't pay. Couple sued to forclose on the bank and did so..funny as hell to see the video of them pulling up to the bank with a foreclosuer team and the sheriff.
:bg
I like it. :thumbu
Awesome anunitu! Would this be the one?
Tables Turn: Deputies and movers show up at bank to seize property for homeowner (http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-06-03/Tables-Turn-Deputies-and-movers-show-up-at-bank-to-seize-property-for-homeowner-)
well - it was the attorney that actually went after the bank - lol
in a way, that's even more ironic
it's a damn shame that the end result wasn't more painful for the bank
still, anything you take from a bank gets passed on to the customer, eventually
Quote from: dedndave on August 11, 2011, 12:07:31 PM
still, anything you take from a bank gets passed on to the customer, eventually
I suppose and yet I doubt that 3,000 bucks is any problem for a banking institution of that size. I mean what else would you have had them folks do? Back in the late 90's early 2000's I got into flipping a couple homes that at the time I paid cash for, that is I bought one fixed it up then sold it took the money and then bought the second. I profited off of both nicely but what would I have done if when I purchased a home I got a letter that because of bank stupidity I was being foreclosed on? I would have first hired an attorney and then I'd have gone after them somebitches! Of course if I could get away with it I would skip the attorney and just go to the bank and shot the bank manager dead. :wink
you know the couple had a sense of satisfaction :P
but, lawyers fighting bankers is always going to affect us in some small way
those guys never lose money
Quote from: jj2007 on August 10, 2011, 07:40:41 AM
There are some other nice tricks to get income distribution back to normal, but that would be over the top for an assembly forum ;-)
Contrary to a politician, a lawyer or a CEO of a multinational company. An assembler programmer must understand logic.
When you program in assembler, you cannot talk your way out. You must understand the problem, as you must tell the machine exactly what to do. If it fails, is your fault, you do not go around and blame the machine. Even if the documentation is wrong, you make a work around (as blaming will not get you closer to finish your program).
The politicians and the Directors of corporations base their actions on appearance of value. Instead of trying to comprehend and solve a problem, a politician tries to make it appear that he is doing something, meanwhile planning who to blame in case the strategy do not work. It will be funny to see a programmer blaming the computer when their program crashes. Yet is the norm with politicians. Do nothing, appear you are doing something, and when it fails (and it will, since you are not trying to solve the problem, but jus appear to be doing it) blame someone else.
Corporations base their power on appearance of value and buying off politicians. There are many examples in which the best technology did not succeed. What is important in capitalism is appearance of value, not value. Corporations know it. They also know that politicians need money to get elected to their cushy jobs. And thus buy them off. Sometimes legally, sometimes illegally. But at the end is a buy off (someone that pays 30k for a dinner with a politician, wants something in return. And someone that bring a 100 of their employees each paying 30k per plate, really want something from the politician. Yet, this is completely legal.
Lawyers base their income on abundance of confusing laws. And is no surprise that the majority of politicians are lawyers.
Democracy fatal flaw is that the vote of an idiot have the same weight as the vote of a wise. Thus the only way to avoid stupid decisions in a democracy is to eliminate the idiots (hopefully by teaching them how to stop being an idiot).
NEW YORK TIMES POLL: TEA PARTY LESS POPULAR THAN MUSLIMS, ATHEISTS, 21 OTHER GROUPS
I love it! :bg
"The Tea Party ranks lower than any of the 23 other groups we asked about — lower than both Republicans and Democrats. It is even less popular than much maligned groups like "atheists" and "Muslims." Interestingly, one group that approaches it in unpopularity is the Christian Right."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/opinion/crashing-the-tea-party.html?ref=teapartymovement
And
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/08/17/297731/poll-tea-party-muslims/
Quote from: Bill Cravener on August 17, 2011, 04:02:19 PM
I love it! :bg
Hi,
2nd that.
Cheers,
Steve N.
P.S
1,000th post. Blabbing way too much I guess.
SRN
Quote from: FORTRANS on August 17, 2011, 08:42:00 PM
P.S
1,000th post. Blabbing way too much I guess.
SRN
Not hardly Steve N. We have a long way to go before we ever catch up to our dear friend Dave. He has us beat by many miles. :bg
i hafta ease up or i'll pass Hutch :lol
most of my posts are spent helping n00b's
i figure if i can get the easy ones, it frees up the big guns for the hard ones :U
I think most of us are glad you are around here Dave. I sure as hell don't have the patients to instruct n00b's other then the examples I give away. You keep posting as much as you can buddy. :bg