I used to use a free for personal use AV program a few years ago, but forgot the name.
It also doesn't show up on any searches.
It would have to run on a .386 on XP SP2 with 256 MB memory.
Tried AVG, but they forgot a few things in the code like seeing if you are already online when it wants to dl the update file and when it's in memory it "doesn't know what to do" and it's error messages foreground and background colors are the same. :-)
Vielen Dank.
On a 386?
I didn't know anyone was actually still using one. Nevermind running XP on it.
Quote from: rags on January 14, 2009, 01:04:19 AM
I didn't know anyone was actually still using one. Nevermind running XP on it.
You bet. I believe in recycling and using what's available.
It's an Optiplex, with a 6 GB and 40 GB harddrive, and 256 MB of memory.
A CD burner and a DVD player.
XP runs quite well on it.
Spybot is the only thing that drags it's "heinie" when running.
I am happy with it.
You are not,were not, and will not run XP on a 386, dude.
Especially not "quite well"
Seriously.
Care to make a small wager ?
I could use some Dough Ray Me. :-)
Quote from: GreenTea on January 18, 2009, 08:45:12 PM
Care to make a small wager ?
I could use some Dough Ray Me. :-)
Windows XP requires MMX support. You need a pentium. Unless Bill sent you a non-MMX-optimization enabled windows version.
:P
I also did some searching, example :
http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm
They couldn't even run it on 486 motherboard, using a Pentium Overdrive processor !
Or are you very special ? :dance:
Quote from: BlackVortex on January 19, 2009, 12:41:12 PM
Quote from: GreenTea on January 18, 2009, 08:45:12 PM
Care to make a small wager ?
I could use some Dough Ray Me. :-)
Windows XP requires MMX support. You need a pentium. Unless Bill sent you a non-MMX-optimization enabled windows version.
:P
I also did some searching, example :
http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm
They couldn't even run it on 486 motherboard, using a Pentium Overdrive processor !
Or are you very special ? :dance:
You didn't answer my question.
Are you afraid of losing a dollar ?
QuoteIt would have to run on a .386
I interpreted this to mean that the
primary processor is an Intel or AMD 80386DX or one of the Cyrix or IBM "486" processors that were essentially a 386 design with some advanced features and a higher clock speed. I have run XP HE and Pro on a system with a 112 MHz AMD K5, no MMX, and no complaints during the installation. The system has 512MB of memory, and while a few things are noticeably slow, for the most part it runs fine. Nevertheless, considering that a Dell system should have an Intel processor (or processors), and that the Intel designs had no (internal) caching, a clock speed that I think never exceeded 33MHz, and a much lower IPC than the 486 and later processors, I have doubts that XP would run "quite well" on one.
My Optiplex GX1 has an Intel .386 running at 733 Mhz.
I picked it up for a hundred bucks with XP Pro.
(My previous system had an AMD K-5)
I have 256 MB ram. It really does run plenty fast for me.
I guess speed to relative to each person.
I plan to upgrade to 512 MB since I occasionally get out of resources message.
I don't want to wait too long, I didn't see many places with 2 sticks of PCI-100 100Mhz left.
Like when I accidentally open up 2 windows of Outlook Express. :-)
Take care.
Quote from: GreenTea on January 20, 2009, 01:57:54 PM
My Optiplex GX1 has an Intel .386 running at 733 Mhz.
What in the world? An Intel 80386XX, clocked at 733.0 MHz? Is this a Dell brand (Optiplex?) Model number?
Are you sure? I've never heard of such a thing.
The OptiPlex GX1 had a slot1 P2 or P3 processor:
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ban_gx1/specs.htm
You would have lost your dollar...
Quote from: MichaelW on January 20, 2009, 03:25:53 PM
The OptiPlex GX1 had a slot1 P2 or P3 processor:
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ban_gx1/specs.htm
You would have lost your dollar...
I believe the poster said I could not run XP on a .386.
The wager was only humor.
Thanks for the site. I saved it will be studying it.
It says I can only have a max of 600 Mhz for my chip.
Windows, BIOS, and System Information For Windows says I have a 733 Mhz.
It works, that's all that matters. :-)
QuoteWindows, BIOS, and System Information For Windows says I have a 733 Mhz.
The original slot1 processor could have been replaced with a newer Socket 370 P3 in a slot1 adapter.
Thanks.
I have 5 slots for cards but don't understand what a dedicated PCI slot is.
The slots I have filled are a graphics card, modem, and the card that gives me two USB ports at 2.0.
Midsize chassis
(passive riser configuration) five total: two dedicated PCI slots, two ISA slots, and one PCI/ISA slot
or
(active riser configuration) five total: three dedicated PCI slots and two PCI/ISA slots
(seems I was wrong about the mmx requirement, I hate it when that happens)
I still don't get it, though. Is the processor a normal Intel 386, clocked so high ? Or is the ".386" some other model with a confusing name ?
P.S.: Did you find the PC in a pool of radioactive material ? :green :toothy
Quote from: GreenTea on January 20, 2009, 05:23:21 PM
...I have 5 slots for cards but don't understand what a dedicated PCI slot is.
I think the ".386" reference must be a typo -- they probably meant "x86" or "386-compatible."
A "dedicated PCI slot" is simply a slot with only one PCI expansion connector available. (The PCI/ISA slot contains both an ISA connector and PCI connector right next to each other, and either type can be used in that slot, but not both. An ISA slot is an older slot type, usually a longer, black connector while the PCI connector is a light color.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adapter_card
Quote from: BlackVortex on January 20, 2009, 05:42:26 PM
(seems I was wrong about the mmx requirement, I hate it when that happens)
I still don't get it, though. Is the processor a normal Intel 386, clocked so high ? Or is the ".386" some other model with a confusing name ?
P.S.: Did you find the PC in a pool of radioactive material ? :green :toothy
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
A "dedicated PCI slot" is simply a slot with only one PCI expansion connector available. (The PCI/ISA slot contains both an ISA connector and PCI connector right next to each other, and either type can be used in that slot, but not both. An ISA slot is an older slot type, usually a longer, black connector while the PCI connector is a light color.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adapter_card
Quote
My system is a little different from my last system.
This one has a board that contains the expansion slots.
This board holding the expansion slots slides out and is locked back in by a lever.
I think they designed it this way so they easily modify the system.
Dell lists a mini-tower, midsize etc.
They are some mistakes though in their spec sheet. For ex., they list a 600 Mhz as the highest processor.
Dead wrong. :-)
Someone was probably in a hurry when they made up the sheet.
Wish someone would help me with my menu post, I would really like to fix up my menu like I used to have
it.
I'd have to check to be sure, but I was under the impression that the slot1 processors never reached 733MHz. If it's a Socket 370 processor on an adapter, it should be easy to spot if you know what a normal slot1 processor looks like. Or the CPU Identification procedure here (http://www.masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=1909.0) might provide some useful information. And there is a free-standing clock speed program here (http://www.masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=3970.0).
Also to definitively identify the chip, give this a try:
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
The programs give a speed of 730.96 Mhz and a P-3.
I wanted to use a few frames of my 35mm and took a few pics of the internals and the case.
BlackVortex is sending me some money to get rush processing. :-)
Outta here.....
But it's not a 386 ! You didn't know your own PC specs to begin with. :red
Send me the case, should make a nice home for a friend's cats !
I got your money yesterday.
I had an emergency and had to spend it on upgrading my ram.
Would you like my old PCI-100 sticks ? (2 at 128MB each)
Don't worry though, you will get those pics.
Promise.
Are you using this PC as a router, or in some industrial application.
Maybe it's running Windows CE.. or minimal XP ?
:8)
Quote from: vanjast on January 23, 2009, 11:23:28 PM
Are you using this PC as a router, or in some industrial application.
Maybe it's running Windows CE.. or minimal XP ?
:8)
As Hutch if you want to know if a .386 will run XP.
Take care.
Quote
Dell lists a mini-tower, midsize etc.
They are some mistakes though in their spec sheet. For ex., they list a 600 Mhz as the highest processor.
Dead wrong. :-)
Someone was probably in a hurry when they made up the sheet.
Yes, there are several errors/ omissions in the Dell spec sheet for the GX1.
The first is the highest speed CPU - the v2 m/board will provide either 2.0 or 1.75v Vcore (can't vouch for any lower voltages, yet), so a Pentium 3 Coppermine processor up to 1Ghz (Slot 1, or skt 370 with a Super Slocket III) can be installed, or a Celeron processor up to 1100 Mhz, again using a Slocket. It's important that the chosen processor speed is rated at 100 FSB: if you use a P3 133 FSB processor, then you'll only achieve 75% of that cpu's speed. (All 370 Celerons are 100 FSB.)
Memory - the spec sheet suggests that ECC (parity) memory must be used if installing 256Mb sticks. Not so. Non-ECC 256's can be used providing they are double-sided. Also, it's best to stay with 100 FSB sticks - quite often 133 FSB sticks will not work. I know this sounds counter-intuitive, but some manufacturers have achieved the higher speed rating by using unbuffered memory chips (which are faster by virtue of not being slowed down by the buffering) BUT unbuffered chips load the address and data lines, and doubly so when double-sided sticks are used. This excessive loading can cause the GX1 to hang rather than boot.
BTW - I don't see how a 733 processor is running on a GX1 board, as the GX1 has it's FSB locked at 100 (or 66). If it's a 733/133 cpu, then it'll run at 550 on the GX1. Of course it could be a 1Ghz/133 which would then run at something around 733-750. The cpu in question could be either a Pentium II or III Slot 1, or a Celeron in a Slocket - but it certainly isn't an early 386 processor !
Welcome to the forum, SAE140 ! (you're not related to SAE134, are you ?)
Still waiting for pictures of this heroic PC from the thread starter. I'm bored of my current wallpaper (just an old 486 running win7)
Quote from: SAE140 on February 01, 2009, 08:02:13 PM
Quote
Dell lists a mini-tower, midsize etc.
They are some mistakes though in their spec sheet. For ex., they list a 600 Mhz as the highest processor.
Dead wrong. :-)
Someone was probably in a hurry when they made up the sheet.
Yes, there are several errors/ omissions in the Dell spec sheet for the GX1.
The first is the highest speed CPU - the v2 m/board will provide either 2.0 or 1.75v Vcore (can't vouch for any lower voltages, yet), so a Pentium 3 Coppermine processor up to 1Ghz (Slot 1, or skt 370 with a Super Slocket III) can be installed, or a Celeron processor up to 1100 Mhz, again using a Slocket. It's important that the chosen processor speed is rated at 100 FSB: if you use a P3 133 FSB processor, then you'll only achieve 75% of that cpu's speed. (All 370 Celerons are 100 FSB.)
Memory - the spec sheet suggests that ECC (parity) memory must be used if installing 256Mb sticks. Not so. Non-ECC 256's can be used providing they are double-sided. Also, it's best to stay with 100 FSB sticks - quite often 133 FSB sticks will not work. I know this sounds counter-intuitive, but some manufacturers have achieved the higher speed rating by using unbuffered memory chips (which are faster by virtue of not being slowed down by the buffering) BUT unbuffered chips load the address and data lines, and doubly so when double-sided sticks are used. This excessive loading can cause the GX1 to hang rather than boot.
BTW - I don't see how a 733 processor is running on a GX1 board, as the GX1 has it's FSB locked at 100 (or 66). If it's a 733/133 cpu, then it'll run at 550 on the GX1. Of course it could be a 1Ghz/133 which would then run at something around 733-750. The cpu in question could be either a Pentium II or III Slot 1, or a Celeron in a Slocket - but it certainly isn't an early 386 processor !
Thanks for all the good info.
Now I may start looking for a higher CPU in addition to the doubling of my RAM.
I have someone looking for a PCI graphics card, I may horse trade some components if he finds my RAM.
This weekend I may take the cooling fan off and see what's under the hood.
Take care.
From System Information for Windows
Cpu Socket Socket 370 FC-PGA
How do I tell if I have a Super Socket 3?