Emotion?

[Farabi]

I always suspicious that animal had somekind of awareness like us too. Look at this video, really touching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyXpi9pH90I&feature=related

[carlos]

Hi Farabi,

dump your "suspicions"  certain animals are aware of themselves, (specially the big apes), and there is a simple test to verify this, a simple mirror, almost all the birds, will attack a mirror, but a cat , or a dog, will attack it at first, but after a wile they will understand that the mirror are they, and will examine themselves or ignore it completely, all the big apes, even the young ones after a initial curiosity, will understand that the other monkey is them, and act accordingly

[Farabi]

Whoa. It is lucky for us to be a human. We can kill them as we want with a great pain, and we dont care about them. Can you imagine it happened to us? Or we borned as a cow? Man. What is this life used for?

[oex]

but after a wile they will understand that the mirror are they

OMG....You mean I have been pointlessly attacking a reflection of myself all along?.... I feel such a fool....

[xanatose]

Whoa. It is lucky for us to be a human. We can kill them as we want with a great pain, and we dont care about them. Can you imagine it happened to us? Or we borned as a cow? Man. What is this life used for?

How do you know that this planet is not a breeding ground for humans to be used as food? Maybe the purpose of man is to become a delicacy :)

Yes animals have emotions. And every time one eats a hamburger is eating the meat of a living being that had emotions and suffered. Worse, we place them into concentration camps before killingf and eating them. Thus if an alien race did the same to us, we have no moral reason to condemn them.

Then again, for every day ones lives, something else must die. Being an animal or a vegetable (unless once decides to only eat fruit, eggs, water, milk and honey). Even then, we do not treat well animals that we find no use for.

Thus, as a species, we are evil, but mostly because of apathy than consciously wanted to harm another living being, We do not think of the suffering of the cow when we eat a hamburger, or of the pig when we eat bacon. Imagine if you actually feel what the animal felt when it died every time you eat something. I am sure the world would have far less fat people around.

[oex]

Then again, for every day ones lives, something else must die. Being an animal or a vegetable (unless once decides to only eat fruit, eggs, water, milk and honey). Even then, we do not treat well animals that we find no use for.

Some people dont even eat eggs.... After all consider what an egg is.... Indeed also consider.... Would you suck a cow's tits for milk? Even honey is effectively bee spit right?



Well.... Just something to consider over lunch :bdg

[Farabi]

I used to think that we lived here to gives us a reason why we should be a paragon. Like, forgiving, helping, taking care another, etc. It makes my lives felt meaningfull, and it boost my dophamine level.

[xanatose]

Then again, for every day ones lives, something else must die. Being an animal or a vegetable (unless once decides to only eat fruit, eggs, water, milk and honey). Even then, we do not treat well animals that we find no use for.

Some people dont even eat eggs.... After all consider what an egg is.... Indeed also consider.... Would you suck a cow's tits for milk? Even honey is effectively bee spit right?



Well.... Just something to consider over lunch :bdg

My point was of food that do not involve killing another living being. A fruit might be considered the egg of a plant.

But still even if one decides to have a diet based on things that not involve killing another living being, there is still the mater of your immune system . So, the only way of not killing something is not being born.

[oex]

 :lol I knew your point, I was only saying we live in a sick world depending on how you view it.... We drink the breast milk of other animals, the spit of bees, the period of birds and the living eggs of fish (caviar).... I am of the opinion that we are carniverous (hence the fact we are able to digest meat, have carnivor teeth etc etc).... This does not mean I'm immune to the ethics, I am also an intelligent being.... If we could grow meat, be assured of it's nutritional abilities I might eat more :lol.... As it stands, man is on a ledge where it is starting to understand and yet does not have the mental capacity to improve....

Roll on spaced based manufacturing especially meat growing factories I say....

[xanatose]

Funny thing is that even if we stop eating meat, chances are that we will still get rid of the animals we do not have use for.

Heck, we do the same to our own kind. The motives of the aliens in the "Independence Day" movie where exactly the same as the motives of any human empire of past/present. Get resources without regard of any damage you cause to whoever gets in your way.

I guess that the difference of being evil and being Muahahaha evil is sadism. We all are capable of being psychopaths (unable to feel empathy for another living being suffering), but few of us are actual sadist (getting pleasure on harming other living beings).

BTW: Accepting that one is evil is far better than thinking than one is righteous. When one thinks that one is righteous, everything else seem to be evil, thus in the mind the person believes that he/she is doing good when in fact is doing things far worse, This is the main reason we legitimize WAR (We Are Right)  :bdg

[Farabi]

Honestly, I was a psycophat if it defined like that, I got lack of emphathy, but after I saw how the life end on the road, I got my feeling back. My, it was a scary thing on my life.

Well, I think I got a lesson from all of this. It is knowledge and wisdom that saved us, we are no match against nature killer machine, but now we are the kings.

Dont worry about killing animal for food, it was something common on this world, the animals will kill each other even we did not kill em.

[xanatose]

Honestly, I was a psycophat if it defined like that, I got lack of emphathy, but after I saw how the life end on the road, I got my feeling back. My, it was a scary thing on my life.

Well, I think I got a lesson from all of this. It is knowledge and wisdom that saved us, we are no match against nature killer machine, but now we are the kings.

Dont worry about killing animal for food, it was something common on this world, the animals will kill each other even we did not kill em.

True. And, if they had the chance, they would also eat humans.

The only real surprise is that things like empathy and compassion are still found. If you think of it, the self serving have more probability to pass the genes. And the ones capable of sacrifice has no way of passing the genes. This is specially interesting in ants (since they all are born a self-serving queen) and is proof that evolution is not the only factor (otherwise there would be no organism capable of self sacrifice).

[Farabi]

Love is built in on our brain, but most of us forgeting it or removed it for some reason

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110912152901.htm

[vanjast]

Imagine spending your whole life collecting other people's/animal's....

[xanatose]

Imagine spending your whole life collecting other people's/animal's....

Some people do, is called a job. While a career is when you actually work on something you like.