Google discussion about masm32.com site

[Opcode]

Interesting:

http://groups.google.com.br/groups?hl=pt-BR&lr=&frame=right&th=b783c78f609ab4ba&seekm=OO3y2t24EHA.3644%40tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl#link1

Sorry if this is not new  ;)

Regards,
Opcode

[hutch--]

Opcode,

Thanks for the reference. Unfortunately google is broken from where I live in Australia so I cannot answer the mistakes made in a number of postings. The MASM32 project legally supplies a number of Microsoft binaries under the WIN98DDK licence and that licence as used by the MASM32 project has subsequently been verified by the licencing division and the copyright permission divisions of Microsoft. From its beginning in 1998, the MASM32 project has supplied the binaries owned by Microsoft legally.

The mistake that various people make when posting on the internet is to assume that legal obligations are determined on the basis of what is available on the internet where in fact it is determined by private negotiation with the owner of the binaries and such negotiations are of a non-disclosure nature.

If you have the time, would you post this information for me in that group as I cannot properly post to google from where I live at the moment.

[John]

Hi Hutch,
I posted the following message to the newsgroup for you:

Hi,
In regards to masm32.com being legal or not please see the following
masmforum topic:
http://www.masmforum.com/simple/index.php?topic=108.0

For some reason I couldn't post to the actual topic:
http://groups.google.com.br/groups?hl=pt-BR&lr=&frame=right&th=b783c78f609ab4ba&seekm=OO3y2t24EHA.3644%40tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl#link1

Regards,
John

It said it would take 3 to 6 hours to show up.

John

[Opcode]

Oops, I posted a quoted reply too ...  :toothy

Regards,
Opcode

[Petroizki]

I then stumbled across a website that says the recommended way to get MASM is to download it from the MASM website, www.masm32.com. But having a black background, it looked a bit like a warez site. What's the deal with it?

I agree.  :P
It actually does look like a warez site, hutch you should put an pink background, images of flowers and kittens, so new people wouldn't get scared.  :bg

[BogdanOntanu]

Black backgrounds do protect your eyes...

After a while you will learn that staring at a lit light bulb most of the day is not healthy for your eye
(the CRT or the TFT are actually lit light bulbs with white or light backgrounds)

So it is actually stupid to use light backgrounds
Unless you really really need it (like in typeseting to see how it looks on white paper)

On all other situations one should use black or dark backgrounds

[Vortex]

A message in that newsgroup says that the VC Toolkit 2003 contains ml.exe  but this is not true.
The tools coming with the toolkit package are the Visual C/C++ compiler and the linker.

[drhowarddrfine]

Someone needs to set those people straight. :U

[Eóin]

I read somewhere that dark colours are actually bad for TFTs cause darkers colours place extra strain on the crystals or whatever. Was quite probabbly all a myth though.

[xanatose]

But having a black background, it looked a bit like a warez site

Wow, I never knew that having a dark background is directly related to being a warez site.

But wait, the editor im using has a dark background. Does that mean Im using a warez editor? :eek
:bdg
Seriously is incredible how naive people can be.

[John]

I especially enjoyed the part where the MVP posted:

In any case, this is not a proper forum for obtaining ml.exe.

:chuckle:

[hutch--]

Just to improve the newly elevated WAREZ staus, the licence for the MASM32 project is light text on a black background as well. For exactly the reason Bogdan mentioned, if you must read large bodies of text, your eyes last a lot longer with a dark background that with bright white.

http://www.masm32.com/mlicence.htm

[thomasantony]

Hi,
I likesd the one abt Hutch's site being a warez site :lol :lol :lol :lol

Black backgrounds do protect your eyes...

I second that :clap: :clap: :U Unlike Randy's site which blows away my eyes. :lol :dazzled: :dazzled: . Like someone at the old forum suggested I have to remove my eyes and put them away safely before giong to Randy's site  :bdg :bdg :bdg :lol :lol :lol :lol

Thomas Antony :U :lol :lol :lol :lol :U

[DaRetard]

Glad I read the license...

The MASM32 project cannot be used to create open source software or any other project under any form of licence that requires the user of the MASM32 project to surrender the rights they are afforded under the MASM32 licence. In particular the MASM32 licence completely excludes projects licenced under the GNU organisation's published GPL licence and/or variants.

Supposing I want to create a project at a place like sourceforge using assembly...what are my options?  Would I either a)Have to release it under something 'non-GNU'? or b)Use a different assembler that doesn't have this limitation?

[sbrown]

Glad I read the license...

The MASM32 project cannot be used to create open source software or any other project under any form of licence that requires the user of the MASM32 project to surrender the rights they are afforded under the MASM32 licence. In particular the MASM32 licence completely excludes projects licenced under the GNU organisation's published GPL licence and/or variants.

Supposing I want to create a project at a place like sourceforge using assembly...what are my options?  Would I either a)Have to release it under something 'non-GNU'? or b)Use a different assembler that doesn't have this limitation?

Or c) Release a 'spiffy' (empty) CD jacket, with a blank CD to follow shortly (via snail mail) for the end-user to burn their own interpretatation of your software to. ::)

:bdg
Scott