All I want for Christmas is a. . .AR-15 with an attached grenade launcher! Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. . . . .baaa-humbug!!!
(http://www.quickersoft.com/pictures/kidsguns.jpg)
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-201_162-10010399.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57333647/gun-club-offers-photos-with-santa-weapons/
As one of the commenters stated on the above link: "Come celebrate the birth of Christ with weapons specifically designed to kill other people!!! How cool is that????"
Ho-ho-hoooo-boy!! :tdown
i saw that - lol
that gun club is here in Snottsdale :P
Scottsdale made in into Der Spiegel (http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,800992,00.html), congrats :U
QuoteAnd he finds nothing wrong, told the Web site AZFamily.com club manager Ron Kennedy.
The photo is offering a way to clarify the right of people to bear arms,
"to give them an opportunity to bring their passion for expression.
We see this as absolutely nothing wrong."
it has nothing to do with the right to bear arms - lol
it's Christmas !!! :bg
so - there is nothing
legally wrong
they have the right to do whatever they like, i suppose
it's just a social blunder, as i see it
It is imperative that we Americans indoctrinate our children early so they will grow up to be good fighting soldiers. American parenting, the best there is!
(http://www.quickersoft.com/pictures/goodparenting1.jpg) (http://www.quickersoft.com/pictures/goodparenting2.jpg)
Quote from: Bill Cravener on December 01, 2011, 02:44:39 PM
It is imperative that we Americans indoctrinate our children early so they will grow up to be good fighting soldiers. American parenting, the best there is!
(http://www.quickersoft.com/pictures/goodparenting1.jpg) (http://www.quickersoft.com/pictures/goodparenting2.jpg)
Actually it's imperative to indoctrinate our children early so they can defeat the liberal progressive socialist dictators who wish to control every aspect of our lives.
Quote from: asmGhost on December 01, 2011, 04:27:08 PMActually it's imperative to indoctrinate our children early so they can defeat the liberal progressive socialist dictators who wish to control every aspect of our lives.
You forgot the irony tag again :cheekygreen:
asmGhost is a bit confused. The philosophy of Conservatism is as old as greed but was first stated in the US of A by President Coolidge: "The business of government is business." He was wrong of course. The business of our government is exactly that which appears in the preamble to our Constitution: "to... promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity". Liberals care about their fellow man the environment and about anything good. Conservatives care about big corporations, themselves, guns and money. Yes liberalism is progressive, we are those who want the economy to succeed and go forth. Conservatives are those who want to give all power to the markets and put a hand gun in every hip pocket. When you give it any real thought you come to realize that the true opposite of a Liberal is a Fascist. :bg
Quote from: Bill Cravener on December 01, 2011, 06:11:07 PM
asmGhost is a bit confused. The philosophy of Conservatism is as old as greed but was first stated in the US of A by President Coolidge: "The business of government is business." He was wrong of course. The business of our government is exactly that which appears in the preamble to our Constitution: "to... promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity". Liberals care about their fellow man the environment and about anything good. Conservatives care about big corporations, themselves, guns and money. Yes liberalism is progressive, we are those who want the economy to succeed and go forth. Conservatives are those who want to give all power to the markets and put a hand gun in every hip pocket. When you give it any real thought you come to realize that the true opposite of a Liberal is a Fascist. :bg
Here is what liberalism in America means.
I Got 15 Kids & 3 Babydaddys-SOMEONE'S GONNA PAY FOR ME & MY KIDS!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E&feature=player_embedded)
Basically being entitled to everyone else's hard work and money because of your own bad choices.
And lets not forget the shining examples of those who want everyone else to provide them with "Welfare, and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity".
As long as they don't have to work for it.
Occupy L.A.: 30 tons of debris left behind at City Hall tent city (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/occupy-la-30-tons-of-debris-left-behind-at-city-hall-tent-city.html)
Quote from: asmGhost on December 01, 2011, 06:40:34 PM
And lets not forget the shining examples of those who want everyone else to provide them with "Welfare, and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity".
As long as they don't have to work for it.
Occupy L.A.: 30 tons of debris left behind at City Hall tent city (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/occupy-la-30-tons-of-debris-left-behind-at-city-hall-tent-city.html)
30 tonnes of debris???? 300,000,000 million hard working Americans shafted by the bankers and the elite.... What is America's sense of worth???? :lol
:bg
ghost, this is something that always made me laugh, Americans have never seen a welfare society or a society that sees that its people as important enough to look after. While the US as the largest economy in the world still does not have universal health care and being sick will send you broke trying to raise a fortune to pay for health care, a sh*thole like Cuba can and does take care of its people, if you are sick and poor in the US, swim to Cuba to get those commos to try and make you well again.
The US conservative view on what you call liberals matches nothing in the world except their own imagination, England, Europe, Canada, NZ and OZ all have reasonable health care systems yet the US has a health care system that is of the quality of the 3rd world if you have no money. Trying to compete with Botswanaland or Bangladesh for providing the worst health care in the world hardly helps poor Americans to get better health wise.
When it comes to 30 tons of junk in LA, its a case of who gives a PHUK when you have people in the world's largest economy dying due to poverty. This situation is a disgrace that reflects very badly on the US yet when Obama tried to initiate a universal health care system the loonie tune right preferred to believe their own bullsh*t about how a health care system would bring the US to its knees when most developed countries already have one with no real problems.
our government has 1 simple rule - that's all they can manage :lol
1) if you're poor, you don't matter
Huricane Katrina comes to mind
if New Orleans wasn't so heavily populated by poor folks, they might have done something
Quote from: dedndave on December 04, 2011, 02:28:33 PM
our government has 1 simple rule - that's all they can manage :lol
1) if you're poor, you don't matter
Huricane Katrina comes to mind
if New Orleans wasn't so heavily populated by poor folks, they might have done something
Any large group with voting rights has to matter, at least somewhat. And the initial FEMA response to Katrina was just plain old incompetence, at multiple levels.
I find it interesting that the very people who seem so upset about other people "Sponging" off the government,like children getting school lunchs are (at least in their own words) Christians,whose rule about loving your brother seems to only apply to your RICH brother.
I love the quote from Gandhi
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." Gandhi
While I have no problem with school lunches, I do have a problem with people sponging off of the taxpayers in a system that is rife with fraud, and which our government will not police to any significant extent.
The amusing thing is that the biggest 'spongers' are those that evade millions in taxes through the use of accountants, while the amount taken by the poor and 'undeserved' is insignificant in comparison.
Santa hates poor kids.
Thats why he bring the best gift to the rich ones. :bdg
As of government:
"A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have...." -- Thomas Jefferson.
True, but not the whole true. Because of law, government places limitations on what you can or not do. And does so by force. Our nature is free so any imposition by government or otherwise must come with an equal opportunity. We see that banks that have no problem kicking people out of their homes, get bailout money plus zero interest money. While the ones that have nothing get abused and, on some states, even being homeless is illegal, as anywhere you are you will be subject to vagrancy laws. Sure they can be challenged in court, but if the person has no home, where is he/she going to get the money for lawyers.
The whole law is based on money. Which means that a rich person will not pass a single day in jail until his/her case in seeing. As they can post bail. A poor person with no money for bail will spend time on jail irrelevant if he/she was innocent and without ANY compensation. Except maybe the lost of his way of living. This can be seen to the extreme in Florida, where a person in death row, 20 years in jail and found innocent by genetics, only get 100$ and a pair of jeans.
IMBO. If society and government place rules upon an individual. Society and government also responsible in part for the wellbeing of the individual. And so far, society and government have place a lot of rules that apply only to the poor, without giving anything in return. And what society and government should give in return, again IMBO, is a fair chance. Unfortunately that is not the case neither on Capitalism, nor on Communism.
"Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others." -- George Orwell, in Animal Farm.
People say that Animal Farm is about Communism. But they forget see that the society before the animal revolution was a Capitalist one. And just as unfair as the later Communist one. Only in the few days after the revolution the animals where in a fair state. So I guess that the natural order is to fight for your chance. Irrelevant of law or government. As if you do not fight, no one is going to do it for you.
xanatose
Very interesting post.
I was pondering some things I read about. A person that fought against the natzis in Germany is still listed as a Traitor(his family is trying to change that. He fought for his belif that natzis were evil,so he did what he could to follow his best intentions(morals)(humanity).
You can be called a Hero,even if what you do is morally wrong,as long as your Government backs what you do. To refuse following a bad moral decision you could end up labeled a Traitor.
Quote from: Tedd on December 05, 2011, 01:52:27 PM
The amusing thing is that the biggest 'spongers' are those that evade millions in taxes through the use of accountants, while the amount taken by the poor and 'undeserved' is insignificant in comparison.
IMO the rich should pay more in taxes than they do, but how can they be considered "spongers" when they pay most of the taxes that are paid?
Quote from: MichaelW on December 06, 2011, 01:55:08 AM
IMO the rich should pay more in taxes than they do, but how can they be considered "spongers" when they pay most of the taxes that are paid?
I don't much like spongers be they rich or poor but to deny that the rich do not sponge is incorrect. Much of the wealthiest income is from dividends and capital gains generated by everything from appreciated real estate to stocks, the sale of family businesses or inheritance, and that's just to name a few ways the rich get richer. As Warren Buffett likes to put it, since most of his income is from dividends, his tax rate is less than that of the people who clean his office. For those who can afford a shrewd accountant or attorney our tax laws are loaded with opportunity to avoid or at the least defer tax bills. These shrewd ways the wealthy use to limit the taxes they pay are limited only by the boundaries of taste, creativity, and the ability to understand some very complex shelters. While the top 10 percent control over 90 percent of America's wealth the bottom 90 percent are saddled with over 70 percent of all debt. So yes the rich are spongers, big time spongers! Certainly more so then the poor could ever imagine being.
Quote from: MichaelW on December 06, 2011, 01:55:08 AMIMO the rich should pay more in taxes than they do, but how can they be considered "spongers" when they pay most of the taxes that are paid?
The rich are rich because
1. markets are imperfect - there is a chronic lack of competition
2. they use the infrastructure financed by everybody, even the poorest (value added tax...). Take a rich man and invite him to make a fortune in North Korea, or Democratic Republic of Congo...
I like your new avatar Bill
Hi anunitu,
I came to that conclusion after Newt Gingrich appears to be the new GOP front runner and that he is agreeing to a debate held by of all people Donald Trump. The GOP has indeed gone batshit crazy!! :tdown
All that Trump brings to this is Bat shit crazy reality show drama.
I read this article today in the OZ press.
Rich v Poor: There will be blood
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/blogs/blunt-instrument/rich-v-poor-there-will-be-blood-20111208-1ojzp.html
it is an interesting analysis in that it addresses a precedent from history and draws parallels to the current situation in the western countries where the rich are getting richer and doing it at the expense of the poor.
Good read! I found some of the comments to the article quite eye opening. One in particular struck me which pretty much sums up the current state of affairs here in the US.
"There comes a tipping point when the accumulation of wealth cannot be stopped even though the process that allows that accumulation will ultimately result in social degradation and blood in the streets. There comes a moment when the wealthy utterly control the mechanisms of government, which they use to extract even greater wealth from the economy. . . The American population is being transformed into peasants that work hard and die young while owning less and less. The de facto American aristocracy has no incentive to change a thing. . ."
well - they do have an incentive, if they are wise enough to see it
that is - if things don't change, they'll be target practice for some poor guy with an AK
problem is - they are not wise enough
they are "individualists" and do not think as a collective
their attitude is "fuck you, i got mine"
they are not willing to make the changes necessary to prevent their own demise
our economy is a house of cards
the foundation is the working man
if things keep going as they are, the house must eventually collapse