This is the 2nd SOB that got off with murder in this country that I know of.
Ok, so you don't believe in the death penalty.
So life in prison with a sledge hammer and if you don't use it
for productive work you don't eat.
The courts have become a farce like our Congress and foreign president.
Delete if you so desire Hutch.
Talking about the anthony case? Then it shows how WELL are courts are.... The court didn't find her not guilty, a jury of her peers did... Goto many countries and you don't even get a jury..
What you say is true Gunner.
But it is still aggravating.
She should at the minimum get life in prison without parole.
Jack,
Its not uncommon to see decisions from courts that sound "unusual" but to be fair, they generally have a lot more evidence that what you hear in the media. I have nothing going for people who commit serious personal crimes and the only value they have is in deterrant to others who may be so inclined.
A classic case was the "moors" murders in the UK many years ago, Bradley and Hindley kidnapped and murdered young children for some perverse gratification while filming their torture and death and when they were caught they were sentenced to life in prison, never to be released. For the rest of their lives they launched appeals, reformed, found religion, turned into model prisoners etc etc .... but in every instance their appeals failed for one simple reason, the children they murdered were still dead and nothing they could do would bring them back. Last I heard Bradley had lost his marbles in jail and Hindley died in prison.
Execute them and they are forgotten a few days later, lock them up for the rest of their lives and their misery never ends and for the only useful thing they can do, their endless misery serves as a lesson to any who would go down the same path.
We had a case here in Sydney years ago where a nurse Anita Cobby was gang raped and strangled while she was being raped and with the few details that were released the poor kid died under the most appalling circumstances. The Murphy brothers were caught, dragged through a long and sordid court case then locked up for the rest of their life. They have to be kept in protective custody to prevent other prisoners from killing them and they live in this endless misery with no hope of ever getting out.
It stopped dead this type of gang rape and every appeal they try for fails, no matter what the reason, reformed, got religion, model prisoner etc etc .... and they will rot in prison losing their marbles in misery for the rest of their life. You know justice has been done when you see their appeals faile over abd over again.
What makes you so sure she is guilty at all ? Is it what you heard in the media, is it the likes of Nancy Grace who would have had her strung up long before she went to trial ? Lets face it, the media doesn't adhere to the "innocent until proven guilty" philosophy, they had her tried and convicted on innuendo long before she first appeared in court. This girl may have been put through the wringer for something she actually did not do and her life is destroyed because of it, any blame for that rests squarely on the shoulders of the idiots in the media. Perhaps she is guilty of the crime she was accused of but if she was found guilty by a jury I would suspect the verdict was based on the media frenzy and bias surrounding the case. Its better that she gets away with it than to have even the slightest possibility that she was convicted by media innuendo and sensationalism. Its time to reign in the likes of Nancy Grace and the others like her and maybe then you can actually expect a fair and impartial trial.
I'm no fan of the Biased Media in this country. They not only try to influence public
opinion about court cases but go overboard with politics.
If I were the mother of that child I would be rising holy hell about her whereabouts.
I don't think this occurred. Logic therefor would tend to make one believe something
was amiss. But true I don't have access to anyway near all the facts.
I got a lawyer friend that says it doesn't matter what you think, it's what you can prove.
The prosecution couldn't make their case beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the standard here.
She very well could have murderd that child, the government couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in court......it's that simple.
not knowing any of the facts, really - other than what's in the media (very unreliable)
i tend to rely on my gut feelings - instinct
it is right about 99% of the time
she doesn't look like the kind of gal that would kill her kid - or anyone else, for that matter
i could be wrong, of course
Kids being murdered by their mothers are a common occurrence here in the States. More than 200 women kill their children in the US each year. The thing that bothers me is much of the time between baby Caylee's disappearance and the finding of her decomposed remains Casey Anthony was out on the town having a good time like a woman free of anymore child responsibilities. I mean lets face it people do get away with murder but that's how our legal system works here in the US of A. That is to say sometimes murderers are found not guilty even if they are in truth guilty. Next we will be seeing that dysfunctional family doing countless TV interviews and book deals about this awful murder of a two year old baby. Sick !! :tdown
Quote from: Bill Cravener on July 06, 2011, 10:19:47 AM
Next we will be seeing that dysfunctional family doing countless TV interviews and book deals about this awful murder of a two year old baby. Sick !! :tdown
Its already being discussed by the media!
Casey Anthony Can Earn Millions From Media, Hollywood (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/07/06/casey-anthony-can-earn-millions-from-media-hollywood/)
The human species is truly sick, where's that massive meteorite impact?
This is making me sicker by the minute.
Lots of good comments about this here.
I know I don't know most of the facts.
But as Assembler programmers we deal in LOGIC.
Logic says if you child is missing raise holy hell until
the child is found. Not party, not going out on the town.
Is my .IF statement wrong?
Quote from: shankle on July 07, 2011, 12:08:25 PM
This is making me sicker by the minute.
Lots of good comments about this here.
I know I don't know most of the facts.
But as Assembler programmers we deal in LOGIC.
Logic says if you child is missing raise holy hell until
the child is found. Not party, not going out on the town.
Is my .IF statement wrong?
If a child is being raped in the next room you would kick down walls to protect the child, however, considering the child pornography on the internet when it first came out you realise that the world does not run on logic.... Even the most logical aspects....
As I grew up I could never get my head around the fact that searchengines like altavista and google had child porn in their top 10 results for 'porn' and they didnt feel the need to check their listings one by one like Yahoo, even governments had no interest or appetite to intervene.... It made me view the world for a time in violent extremes, Religion vs Logic.... (hmm that sounds familiar).... OK things have improved somewhat (in this particular example) over time however logic and reason are 2 different topics.... Honestly, though I admit it is a little crazy, I still see Steve Jobs as a child abuser as it was his connections I saw this hateful material on and I will never buy an Apple product, even if I need one to breathe....
I have no interest in this media case.... Or any such media case.... This is media porn.... The media promotes what sells news papers, not the morality given up by the human race....
My consideration (guess) is that most people on this forum will promote child pornography over restriction of information.... This is not logic, this is reason.... However distasteful.... (And I accuse no-one on the forum of supporting such a crime)....
The sense of outrage expressed on this forum is appropriate to the circumstances.
I think the verdict in this case doesn't demonstrate our collective morality,...as much as it demonstrates the difficulty that the prosecution encounters before a jury of citizens encumbered by judicial rules derived from existing legislation and applicable case precedents,...when it has a circumstantial case.
The truth of the matter is that the vast majority of criminal cases in America are resolved through plea negotiation.
Our judicial system has been reduced to a game in which there are no winners.
Quote from: baltoro on July 07, 2011, 04:11:30 PM
Our judicial system has been reduced to a game in which there are no winners.
The winners are the attorneys. When the media denied her a fair trial, whether they were acting in their own best interest, in her best interest, or both, any possibility of justice went out the window.
As anyone who followed the case knows according to Casey Anthony's father his daughter left the family's home on June 16th 2008 taking baby Caylee with her. When she did return after 31 days she returned without the child. Casey's mother Cindy asked repeatedly during those 31 days to see Caylee but Casey claimed that she was too busy with work to be bothered.
On July 13th 2008 Cindy and George Anthony found a notice from the post office for a certified letter affixed on their front door. George Anthony picked up the certified letter from the post office on July 15th 2008 and found that his daughter's car was in a tow yard. When Casey's father picked up the car both he and the tow yard attendant noted a strong smell coming from the trunk. Both testified that they believed the odor to be that of a decomposing body.
Most mothers, you'd think, would be frantic when just a few hours had passed not knowing where your kid was and call the authorities but not that murdering bitch. So lets face it, take a bizarre story like this and you are guaranteed a media frenzy. Casey will be set free in nine days, she best hide real well because another nut like herself will do her bodily harm. I think that's another guarantee!
"Fueled by verdict anger, push for 'Caylee's Law' starts in Pa., N.J."
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110708_Fueled_by_verdict_anger__push_for__Caylee_s_Law__starts_in_Pa___N_J_.html
I truly hope it comes to that Dave. Creating new laws that would make not telling authorities your child is missing to a third-degree felony with a maximum sentence of seven years is a good start but in my opinion I'd carry it even further. If it were up to me I'd require that the mother have her ovaries removed and her vagina sewed shut and if a father not reporting a missing child have him castrated so that neither can ever again have a child.
The trouble with targetted laws are the exceptions, across any large population country there would be a vast number of kids that go missing for a day or three and while some of them are serious, the vast majority are not and all you would do is further overload and already overworked welfare system that is there to look after kids that are in trouble. Until recently we had a state government that put laws like this into place, mandatory reporting of anything that even hinted of child abuse so every teacher, welfare worker and so on were reporting phantom abuses just to cover their own arse.
I don't know the details of this case but often fact is stranger than fiction and the motives for people doing certain things may not be as simple as they seem.
Quote from: shankle on July 07, 2011, 12:08:25 PM
This is making me sicker by the minute.
Lots of good comments about this here.
I know I don't know most of the facts.
But as Assembler programmers we deal in LOGIC.
Logic says if you child is missing raise holy hell until
the child is found. Not party, not going out on the town.
Is my .IF statement wrong?
I think this .IF statement is more emotion than logic and contains a number of enthymemes ( hidden premises - all parents care about their children , all parents react to a missing child in a certain way , etc. ) . I'm not really sure what happened in this case ( I've tried to ignore it , largely ) but it seems the news media has taken great efforts to convict this woman largely on the repulsive nature of the crime and not the evidence against the woman. If the woman beat the charges in the constitutionally prescribed manner ( a trial by jury ) I don't see how anyone can complain about the outcome .
Quote from: shankle on July 05, 2011, 08:50:42 PM
This is the 2nd SOB that got off with murder in this country that I know of.
Although I live less than 100 miles from where the trail occurred I intentionally did not try to follow its proceedings. Like most I felt that she would have been found guilty but was not shocked by the verdict. When I heard the verdict, honestly, the first thing that came to my mind was the history of people not just in this country but around the world who were not found guilty of documented crimes. Again I did not know all the facts and those I know were heard from the media. Being an African-American I can name many of my own ancestors and people I have heard of, present and past, who were attacked, tortured, enslaved, raped and murdered with their accusers going on to live long, well care-free lives. The retaliators sometimes got caught and were put on trial as the first and only criminals instead. Some sadly get retried months or days before they die of old age but most never have and never will face justice. True history is piled with people who have oppressed and abused others for their own gain and pleasure and I see no end to this vicious cycle anytime soon.
Quote from: cman on July 09, 2011, 08:09:52 PM
I don't see how anyone can complain about the outcome .
Oh, but I am complaining about the outcome! What sane innocent mother would go without telling the authorities your child was missing for 31 days? She's a murderer either directly or indirectly she's responsible for the death of baby Caylee! The prosecution blew it when they went for a death sentence conviction. I'd have much rather seen Casey spend many more years in prison.
Juror number 3 stated; "I did not say she was innocent, I feel she had something to do with it" (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/07/earlyshow/main20077457.shtml)
Well said Bill with one exception. Put her in jail and throw the key away.
It's not over yet. I imagine her life now will be a living hell as it should be.
Years ago we had a famous case here in OZ, Lindy Chaimberlain was charged with murdering here baby Azaria out near Ayers Rock. After some years of court cases that saw her in jail for some years, the prosecution case was eventually blown to pieces and much of the frame up was exposed in what became a scandal with the Northern Territory government playing kneejerk justice to keep the masses happy.
In the process the years of legal battles and being jailed ruined her life, broke up her marriage and family and the years of scandalous bullsh*t and matching conspiracy theories runied her personal reputation even though she was clearly innocent of the charge and was never given the chance to grieve for her own loss of the child.
I learnt long ago never to support the notion of trial by media, the court heard far more evidence than you get in the media and it had to grind its way through all of that evidence to eventually reach its verdict. Justice and popularism are not the same thing, for all of its flaws I prefer cool calculated justice to the mob every time.
Don't know what to say Hutch. It is my gut feeling that the Bxxxh is guilty as sin.
Nobody hates the media more than I. But again the sequence of events would
point to a vicious broad that needs knocked down. I would be afraid to go to
sleep in her presence.
Quote from: dedndave on July 08, 2011, 07:08:42 PM
"Fueled by verdict anger, push for 'Caylee's Law' starts in Pa., N.J."
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110708_Fueled_by_verdict_anger__push_for__Caylee_s_Law__starts_in_Pa___N_J_.html
Great, just what we don't need. More useless laws to clog up the system.
I understand the desire behind the push for the law, but it solves nothing. Just makes people temporarily feel good for passing it but does nothing to solve the root problem.
Quote from: KD8COO on July 11, 2011, 02:01:36 PM
Just makes people temporarily feel good for passing it but does nothing to solve the root problem.
Well, please enlighten us, how would you solve the root problem?
I would solve the root problem by not allowing lowlifes to reproduce. The courts can give people the death penalty, but for some reason that's beyond me can't (otherwise) remove their right to reproduce.
Quote from: MICHAELW...I would solve the root problem by not allowing lowlifes to reproduce,...
:green MICHAEL,
Yeah,...I agree with you,...it's an obvious solution. (...And, I AM a lowlife,... :eek)
What would be hilarious, would be the reaction of the American citizens, if something like that was included on their ballots,...
What you discribe,limiting reproductive rights has been done in the past,with very bad results. it was the eugenics movement that had such control, they passed laws in most of the States that allowed Sterilization of people for such things as having epilepsy. it was heading toward what the Germans ended up doing in fact. The germans were inspired by the eugenics movement in allowing killing what they discribes as people "Not worthy of life". The eugenics movement was also advocating the same thing for minority groups, with the reason that they polluted the gene pool(White) of America.
History forgotten is history repeated.
ANUNITU,
Yes,...of course,...eugenics has gotten an ugly rep.
I guess the traditional approach woukd be to promote war, poverty, infectious disease,...ecological disaster.
My thinking is that MICHAEL has the correct concept,...but, clearly, this is not politically palatable for citizens of developed nations.
:red
the issue would be "how do you define low-lifes"
also, people aren't always low-lifes by choice, it is thrust upon them
i can think of several rich basturds that shouldn't be allowed to reproduce - lol
DAVE !!!
...As always,...you identify the important central issue with total clarity,...and, a couple of lols,...
What we need is: an official Index of Darwinian Unworthiness,...could be administered like the proposed Carbon Cap,...which would create an entire industry of Unworthiness brokers,...
...And, all of us Low-Life's that lost our homes in the Global Mortgage Debacle of 2008,...would be back in business,... :eek
Some of use seem to be ignoring the fact that this pathetic excuse of a mother did not report her child missing for 31 days. That fact alone deserves many years in prison in my book!
Casey Anthony partied at nightclubs and remained outgoing after her 2-year-old daughter's death on June 16, 2008 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/25/us-crime-anthony-idUSTRE74O7HQ20110525)
(http://www.quickersoft.com/pictures/caylee.jpg) (http://www.quickersoft.com/pictures/casey.jpg)
I wonder why she did it,...assuming that was the case,...
Once upon a time baltoro I was a young man and dated a few young girls who had a kid or two. Sometimes they would bitch about how having kids made it difficult for them to go out and enjoy life. I never spoke my mind at the time but I thought to myself why did you spread your legs in the first place if you didn't want children?
As a side note I went to the local grocery store this afternoon and I seen a young lady there with a four or five year old toddler. Mom had her tied with a five foot leash that was attached to mom's waist. I guess that's the extreme opposite of that horrible women Casey Anthony.
Quote from: Bill Cravener on July 11, 2011, 07:08:51 PM
never spoke my mind at the time but I thought to myself why did you spread your legs in the first place if you didn't want children?
By the same reason WE want them to spread their legs, in the first place!!!! because is fun , and because our deepest instincts want us to do it. now, on this day, any woman can have ALL the sex she want and not have children, but an hormone driven teenager, can't buy anticonceptives because its against the law and is a SIN, so, many girls get pregnant out of sheer stupidity of US, their parents, because we never teach them to have a responsible sexual life.
Carlos
CARLOS,
Correct.
I think I read somewhere that 40 % of all pregnancies in the U.S. are unmarried girls,...(this is an all-time high, totaling more than 1.6 million per year).
And,...BILL,...
I have three sisters (all with kids),...and, when we get together at family reunions, they tell me that they don'y have lives anymore. I don't have kids, so, I just smile benevolently. One of my sisters is a Registered Nurse,...and, she developed an interesting approach towards teaching her kids about the facts of life: she teaches them as if they were medical students. She introduces them to the correct terminology, and, explains standard concepts of human anatomy and sexual devlopment in clear and accurate terms. And, both she and her husband treat them with complete honesty and trust, letting them know that their parents can always be relied on for compassion, truth, and understanding. This seems to have worked just like they expected it to. The kids are intelligent, well-adjusted, and, secure.
And,...they are hilarious. You wouldn't believe the kinds questions they ask.
Quote from: Bill Cravener on July 11, 2011, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: KD8COO on July 11, 2011, 02:01:36 PM
Just makes people temporarily feel good for passing it but does nothing to solve the root problem.
Well, please enlighten us, how would you solve the root problem?
Unable. I never said I had a solution for it. However, I'm quite capable of recognizing when doing something is worse than doing nothing...
Quote from: anunitu on July 11, 2011, 04:27:49 PM
History forgotten is history repeated.
So society is supposed to forget about Casey Anthony's history here and let her have another child? How responsible is that?
Something I leant a long time ago, having kids is a melodrama for mothers in many instances and often the support around them is less than good. I go out of my way to compliment the mums in my area, take notice of the kids who are all little angels (like I was :P) as it addresses something very basic, mums do a lot of work and carry many burdens and are often not appreciated for it and feel they have no support. A few people around them who tell them they are doing something important that other people notice helps them handle the huge demands that kids place on them.
On the up side I know every good looking blonde, brunette and redhead in the area (under 5 years old), have been beaten up by the odd 5 year old and commiserate with the fathers. It takes little effort and you help overworked mums to better handle the load.
i saw your post baltoro - lol
she won't need Flynt's money after the book deal and the movie deal
...Yeah,...Dave,...(Man,...Dave's fast,...isn't he ???)
That one was too decadent even for me. Had to delete it.
Heck, I have to suspect that,...even, Charlie Sheen probably vomitted on the couch,... :eek