The US found and killed Osama Bin Laden today. :U
game over. really?
Yeah, an operation in Islamabad was executed and Osama was shot, his body is in the possession of the US and DNA results confirm that it was indeed Osama.
Maybe game not over,
He dead, he spawn.
Quote from: aker on May 02, 2011, 03:49:52 AM
game over. really?
Ditto! I've have to have witnessed such a blatant excercie in manipulating the US citizenry and maybe the world for that matter. Hail the US war machine as there is lots of money to be made and there will be something coming down the pipe to justify this momentum.
Just seen the news myself, problem is its far to late to matter, Al Queda has been spread around the world for nearly 10 years with an adaptive command structure that makes it incredibily hard to hit on a large scale.
Now i wonder when they are going to do a hit on Slobodan Bin Gaddaffi ?
Quote from: aker on May 02, 2011, 03:49:52 AM
game over. really?
Even though he's really dead, it won't stop terrorism.
hardly - he'll just be more of a martyr than he already was
nice to see him go, though
note to us gov't...
about damn time !!!
Quote from: dedndave on May 02, 2011, 04:24:30 AM
note to us gov't...
about damn time !!!
Yup, almost 10 years since 9/11, 8 years to the day after Bush stood in front of the "Mission Accomplished" banner. It took too long but it's sweet all the same, glad it was US special forces that killed him (rumor is it was a Navy SEAL), and even happier that no US soldiers were injured in the fire fight.
one more comment.....
now - we need to leave Iraq and Afghanistan
leave them in whatever shape they are in and get the fuck out
no need for any more American soldiers to die
and, we can stop pumping money into haliburton
We can only hope that the US has learnt its lesson at last and stops getting into bed with terrorists like Bin Laden who then turn on them and cause the rest of the world problems. I long ago remember a Japanese Diplomat that described US diplomacy as a 12 year old with a shotgun, I can only hope that they have upgraded the level of diplomacy to at least that of the Wild West so they get rid of their enemies the first time, not inflict them on the rest of the world for over 10 years.
Well, there goes another of Bush's (Chaney..etc) friends...
Amazing how 'friends' can turn on you... the word has no meaning anymore :wink
There it goez... Thats kinda sad news :bg ... for those who are so relative with him, but others won't care that much :toothy
Continue gaming... Don't stop!
Slay more dark lord of more foreign land. :lol
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-live
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Haji Mullah, the commander of Taliban operations in the three southern provinces of Kandahar, Uruzgan and Helmand, has just told the Guardian that bin Laden's death changes nothing.
"When other high ranking Talib commanders like Osmani and Dadullah were killed it didn't really affect our movements or operations. This kind of operation doesn't make us weaker it makes us stronger and more determined."
I'm glad he's dead and it only cost the American taxpayer a trillion dollars.
http://costofwar.com/en/
It is incredible that already folks on the right here in the states are saying it is a government lie. One such poster stated if it were true why did they dump the body in the sea?
My response to that was; What would you have them do? Parade his rotting corpse around the country? Two bullets that he took to the head wouldn't be a pretty site. The way I see it burying bin Laden's body at sea would ensure that his final resting place will not become a shrine and a place of pilgrimage for his many followers.
Oh, and I read that in order to confirm that the body was in fact Bin Laden, U.S. officials subpoenaed DNA from Bin Laden's sister who had died in a Boston hospital some time back and found the DNA matched.
Truth has many versions.... Not all are fit to be broadcast.... The fact he was buried at sea suggests as much as the grainy mobile phone footage of Sadam Hussain's execution.... We are bred in this day and age not to believe what anyone says as all can easily be faked.... The politics of the day is not the politics of truth but politics of the best, most believable lie :lol....
I'm sure he is dead (it would be very embarassing for America if he wasnt) but this was also my first thought "Why at sea".... There is no honest way to kill and bury a man and I'm sure many more factors came into play than I will ever imagine or will ever be told....
Al Qaeda has a Navy now ?
The headlines in this morning's Los Angeles Times were HUGE (U.S. KILLS BIN LADEN) !!! I read the related articles and was amazed to find that bin Laden was killed in a small city (Abbottabad) just north of Pakistan's capital, Islamabad...and, of course, there are suspicions that the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) provided him sanctuary and knew of his whereabouts. I wouldn't be surprised if they burn down the house to conceal evidence revealing how long bin Laden had been hiding there.
:eek ...I guess it's probably a good thing then that Pakistan has nuclear weapons, or, the United States would feel compelled to invade,... :eek
He was buried at sea because under some Muslim traditions he had to be buried within 24 hours of his death, even though he and his band of murderers had no respect for anyone else, the US did respect his religious beliefs. He was at sea because the body was brought aboard a US ship for identification.
I wonder if it was Osama who used a woman as a human shield ? It would be a fitting way for him to die, cowering behind a skirt (I guess it would be a Burka in this case). I'm sure the whole raid was recorded by the SEAL team so we may find out some day.
Quote from: baltoro on May 02, 2011, 03:42:40 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they burn down the house to conceal evidence revealing how long bin Laden had been hiding there.
Hi,
If the SEALs didn't clean the complex out, I would be very
surprised. So there is probably not much left to burn. And all
they need to do as far as timing things is to look at satellite
photos to see when it was completed.
Hm, there might be a great deal of buried monies though.
Think on that?
Cheers,
Steve N.
I can't say I am surprised that they finally got him. Altough I still have serious doubts that he was responsible of 9/11, he did plan and cause other acts of war against USA interests.
Todays wars are not based on ideals, retribution or even religion, (thats only the excuses). Todays wars are based on business and necesity (business if you attack, necesity if you are the one being attacked). And until war is not a business there will always be war.
If I remember correctly, Tesla said that the only way to prevent wars was to eliminate the reasons for war, and this cannot be legislated (legislation is like giving an aspirin to a cancer patient, it will not work). And the one that can do it is science, by finding a way to eliminate the shortage of resources in the world (energy, food, shelter, etc).
I might add that as long as the economical system is based on the subjective of the value of things vs the real value of things, this will not change. As as long as the system is capitalistic vs technocratic (value of things are based on rarity + energy + work), this will not change. A compromise might be to require FULL disclousure of the cost of providing the product (work + materials) so that people can make informed choices. For example cost of materials, cost of work, cost of publicity (the bigger the percentage, the more likely we do not need the product), etc.
Quote from: dedndave on May 02, 2011, 04:35:32 AM
one more comment.....
now - we need to leave Iraq and Afghanistan
leave them in whatever shape they are in and get the fuck out
no need for any more American and NATO soldiers to die
+1
It is certainly interesting that it took all this time to get to him. Big questions are now being asked of Pakistan and how they kind of failed to notice this huge secure compound, and didn't check out who was living there.
Best regards,
Robin.
:U
As more of the story comes out, I am fascinated at how foolish the handling of this issue has been. For all of the whoo haa over the last 10 years, Bin Laden goes out as a martyr instead of a criminal and instead of putting him on trial for all of the things he has done and has supposed to have done, they instead shoot him dead and shortly after dispose of the body so the evidence is lost. Claims of DNA matching him to his sister involve the same level of trust as we were all expected to have after 9/11 and that means very little in real world terms.
I looks suspiciously like a re-election scam for Obama and while the world is probably no worse off with Bin Laden dead, it is doubtful that its any better off either as his organisation has morphed into an international loosly held together terrorist group that is almost impossible to track down. Now that he is a dead martyr his own words are now the worst enemy in that he addressed legitimate grievances in the Muslim world where western countries invade theirs, kill their people and steal their OIL assetts.
Quote from: hutch-- on May 03, 2011, 02:13:22 AM
I looks suspiciously like a re-election scam for Obama and while the world is probably no worse off with Bin Laden dead, it is doubtful that its any better off either as his organisation has morphed into an international loosly held together terrorist group that is almost impossible to track down. Now that he is a dead martyr his own words are now the worst enemy in that he addressed legitimate grievances in the Muslim world where western countries invade theirs, kill their people and steal their OIL assetts.
Just what I was going to say (or similar) this morning... :U
I heard some stuff on the radio..Obama in 'full cry'.. he speaks well, he speaks a load of cr.p. And saw a lot of 'selected' clips of rejoicing US citizens on the news.
My first thought.. Election time - Let's lie to the population again.. and look at all those suckers believing this nonsense.
We've had exactly the same thing here for the past 15 years.. now it's coming to an end because the population is starting to 'wise up'.
Let's hope these past 20 years have been a lesson to us all - the extent to which politicians lie and manipulate to stay in power. :tdown
It's great being a 'cynical old git'... :bg
Quote from: donkey on May 02, 2011, 04:15:56 PM
He was buried at sea because under some Muslim traditions he had to be buried within 24 hours of his death, even though he and his band of murderers had no respect for anyone else, the US did respect his religious beliefs. He was at sea because the body was brought aboard a US ship for identification.
They could have buried him close to the scene of the 'murder', at sea is very suspicious = no evidence = possibly a lie/or they hit the wrong person.
Anyway have the rules changed about declaring a person dead, AFAIK the body has to be ID'd by members of immediate family.. maybe they were on the US ship, otherwise he cannot legally be declared dead. Obama must be thick as 2 bricks not thinking this one through.. or he's just 'breaking the law'.
:green2
QuoteI'm sure the whole raid was recorded by the SEAL team so we may find out some day.
Where's Assange when you need him...
Ah! there he his..
"Come on Julian get off that CIA women.. whoops... sorry Bill, thought you were somebody else. We're in Sweden right ??"
:bdg
you probably won't hear too many accurate accounts of what happened
the seals and green beenies keep that stuff under their hat
for example, you will probably never hear the name of the guy that shot him or the names of team members at all
and - can't blame them - the muslims would target them and their families
I can't help thinking that this was such a bad move, the domestic political points scored will be minimal compared to the points scored by Osama's buddies.
First Saddam, now Osama... Obama will be next. the USA is a nice big place, but you cannot monitor every acre, and Obama will probably have to look behind himself everytime he goes outside.
Everything eventually leaks like wiki. It might take 10 -20 years and with these guys who do not forget that easily, and I wouldn't like to be in their shoes, living like that.
I always maintain that if you want to assasinate someone, let their own people do it. Set up the conditions for this to happen, just don't do the deed.
In WW2 the allies had an opportunity to assasinate Hitler, but they intelligently decided not to, as Hitler was a more self-destructive force than the allies could ever be.
They say he shortened the war by approx2 years, all by himself :bg
This is ice-cream on the forehead stuff...
:eek
Some things for me at least dont add up.... If he was "cowering behind a woman" why did they shoot him? With all these people hiding him that is a lot of intelligence to just throw away.... I get that this was a highly charged situation but these guys are professionals.... They shot to kill the worlds most wanted man (or they didnt and they are interogating him right now and didnt want that known) :lol....
Maybe they caught him another time and this was just the show.... :lol
Quote from: oex on May 03, 2011, 11:48:04 AM
Some things for me at least dont add up.... If he was "cowering behind a woman" why did they shoot him?
Hi,
Because he was shooting back? If it was him, as they did
not say who was using the human shield anyway.
Steve N.
All you here on radio and TV is "Oh my al Qaeda's going to be pissed off now!"
"Be afraid be very afraid !! Oh my, oh dear !!"
By the gods its enough to make me vomit. We have become cowardly little sheep controlled by big government, the media, corporations and all the nut jobs we who believe we are sane must contend with!
We are pathetic !!
speak for yourself - lol
i say...
if they want to continue to cause shit all over the world, go in there and kick there ass
not half-assed - all the way back to the stone age
they are looking a lot like nazi germany, at this point, with the "only our religion is the right religion - kill everyone else" attitude
I agree with you Dave but its what I'm hearing here in the states that makes me sick.
yah - and i also said we should get our troops out of there
that sounds like a contradiction, to be sure
the problem is, we aren't doing any good over there - we aren't accomplishing anything
our gov't needs to shit or get off the pot
we can't be all "oh - let's not damage the mosque"
where do you think they are gonna hide ? - lol
blow that fucker up !!!
also...
if their "soldiers" want to look like civilians, then they are going to lose some civilians
too bad, so sad
That's the problem with this type of 'guerrilla war', 'collateral damage' is unavoidable.
This is where the SAS, Seals are better equipped.
Osama should have been 'popped' a long time ago, just as Saddam should have been, on the first round.
Waiting so long and the timing, which might be construed as good, as a portion of the muslim world is in turmoil, might actually backfire.
This exciting, and incredibly violent video of the actual Special Ops Team assaulting the Abbottabad residence of Osama Bin Laden JUST RELEASED !!!
WARNING: This video is intense, explosive, gory, horrifying, and gratifyingly brutal. (Soundtrack is kinda funky, though...)
Here is your: TOP SECRET CODE WORD GERONIMO CLEARANCE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkg9C68xTc).
Not sure if this is truth or not, but I do remember that during the first months of the ocupation of Afganistan, the USA did say that Obama was death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpBPVkpmoeg
Basically is telling that Osama died at that time. It was not a good time to show Osama's death as it would lower the public opinion toward continue of war (and the mega profit that Bush/Cheney where making). But the body was put on a freezer with the intention of showing it on election year (by the republicans at that time). But someone wrote and article in which she saw Osamas body in a freezer at that time, so the idea was bagged. That was then.
Now, with the popularity of Obama lowering, was the perfect time to show the body. But an autopsy by a third party would have shown that the body was death much longer that it was said, thus the need of get rid of the evidence by dropping the body at sea.
It could be a tin foil hat theory, or it could be truth. Who knows. But it certainly came at the right moment for Obamas campaign.
(http://planet1051.com/files/2011/05/obama-bin-laden-18343-1304307659-11.jpg)
Obama bin Laden?
Must be a Freudian slip :bg
Quote from: TmX on May 04, 2011, 03:21:26 AM
(http://planet1051.com/files/2011/05/obama-bin-laden-18343-1304307659-11.jpg)
Obama bin Laden?
Must be a Freudian slip :bg
LOL
Seem that someone on fox had a freudian slip.
:lol
John Stewart (http://vodpod.com/watch/7737802-to-kill-a-mockingturd-the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-050211-video-clip-comedy-central)
Quote from: Bill Cravener on May 04, 2011, 04:16:00 PM
John Stewart (http://vodpod.com/watch/7737802-to-kill-a-mockingturd-the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-050211-video-clip-comedy-central)
:lol racist clip.... "Sorry this video is unavailable from this location".... It's cos I'm English init.... Freedom of speech HA I want freedom to hear the opinions and make my own mind up.... I dont want to be firewalled out of existance.... I
dont want to live
...Yeah, Bill, that link doesn't work for my location, (Southern California),...
...But, I watched the segment on: The Daily Show, Pakistani Intelligence (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-may-3-2011/to-kill-a-mockingturd---pakistani-intelligence) website. Even though I'm one of those conspiracy theorists tha Jon Stewart makes disparaging comments about, (empirical evidence ???),...IT'S HILARIOUS !!!
:eek ...In particukar,...I loved the line about Pakistan being last year's honored recipient of a $3.2 Billion, Be-Our-Friend-PLease Scholarship from the United States,... :eek
Quote from: baltoro on May 04, 2011, 05:40:53 PM
I watched the segment on: The Daily Show (http://www.thedailyshow.com/) website. It's hilarious !!!
Racism I tell you....
(http://www.hereford.tv/racism.png)
Jon Stewart clip also availale here (http://media.mtvnservices.com/player/prime/mediaplayerprime.1.7.0.swf?uri=mgid:cms:item:comedycentral.com:383338&type=normal&ref=None&geo=US&group=entertainment&&CONFIG_URL=http%3a%2f%2fmedia.mtvnservices.com%2fpmt%2fe1%2fplayers%2fmgid%3acms%3aitem%3acomedycentral.com%3a%2fconfig.xml%3furi%3dmgid%3acms%3aitem%3acomedycentral.com%3a383338%26type%3dnormal%26ref%3dNone%26geo%3dUS%26group%3dentertainment%26)
Ya know,...we're going to have to rethink our entire foreign policy as regards Pakistan,...maybe, if we offer them an obscene amount of money for thier entire existing nuclear arsenal,...instead, of just giving them military assistance, no questions asked,...we'd at least get some reasonable value for our investment,... :eek
...And, heck, if it works on Pakistan,...maybe we can try it on Canada,... :eek
Quote from: dedndave on May 04, 2011, 05:56:06 PM
Jon Stewart clip also availale here (http://media.mtvnservices.com/player/prime/mediaplayerprime.1.7.0.swf?uri=mgid:cms:item:comedycentral.com:383338&type=normal&ref=None&geo=US&group=entertainment&&CONFIG_URL=http%3a%2f%2fmedia.mtvnservices.com%2fpmt%2fe1%2fplayers%2fmgid%3acms%3aitem%3acomedycentral.com%3a%2fconfig.xml%3furi%3dmgid%3acms%3aitem%3acomedycentral.com%3a383338%26type%3dnormal%26ref%3dNone%26geo%3dUS%26group%3dentertainment%26)
Right that's it.... That link crashed my browser.... I'm going out for some flag burning :lol
Quote from: PETER...I'm going out for some flag burning,...
...A true Patriot,... :eek
Quote from: baltoro on May 04, 2011, 06:03:00 PM
Quote from: PETER...I'm going out for some flag burning,...
...A true Patriot,... :eek
Ah it's one of many great British traditions.... From blowing up parliament to wanging wellies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellie_wanging) it all starts here in the UK except:
"Welly wanging is a sport
open to all people irrespective of age, sex, race, creed, religion, nationality and colour. And people from Lancashire."
Interesting the death picture of Osama is just a photoshoped composition.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-death-photo-a-hoax
Lets see, body thrown into the ocean and false pictures. The funny thing is that the ones that discovered that it was photoshoped where the conspiracy theorist, while the mass media was feeding the photos.
In my Opinion, this are signs that the whole thing is just a media hoax in trying to make Obama popularity rise (before this, it was hitting rock bottom as many people realized how much of a liar he is).