(http://www.masm32.com/private/naverror.png) Norton Anti Virus
A friend who has regularly used my old web site movsd.com has reported to me that Norton Anti Virus has flagged the site as suspicious because it does not correctly identify two 10 year old files correctly.
Having had to waste time that I don't get paid for just to read their site, join it and post a comment, I wonder how long it will take for virus/anti virus vendors to learn how to read English so they can then read the Microsoft Portable Executable specifications and not deliver false positives to their own paying customers.
As before, if you really must use this type of trash, at least get the best around, either the Kaspersky security products or the Eset NOD32 range and save yourself the security risks of other products that cannot properly detect operating system specification code.
norton sux rox - lol
although, symantec does put out my all-time favorite program - the "norton removal tool"
i remember peter norton from days of old - what a novice - lol
I have been having good luck with Microsoft Security Essentials. I've been using it since it came out and I have had no false positive problems. By the way, it's free.
I have removed Norton av from many machines. What a gluttonous hawg!
To add further irritation to their incompetence, I have wasted the time trying to join their site which appears to have succeeded but when you try and log on to make a comment their site is broken and keep asking you to re-register.
Like Greg I've been using Microsoft Security Essentials. I haven't had any problems in the last couple of months, it runs 'silently' in the background, gets good reviews in all the mags & as Greg says it's free.
Quote from: dedndave on January 01, 2010, 09:54:57 PM
norton sux rox - lol
although, symantec does put out my all-time favorite program - the "norton removal tool"
i remember peter norton from days of old - what a novice - lol
I still have some 50 very old books on assembly language.
I have Peter Norton's "Assembly Language Book for the IBM PC" though it is showing its age.
A couple of my old favorites is Steven Holzner's "Advanced Assembly Language on the IBM PC" and his book "PS/2-PC Assembly Language".
I also have Robert Jourdain's "Programmers Problem Solver" which was also a good book. Used so much it is falling apart.
Many of the old asm books I have still look in pretty good shape last time I checked.
it not just a/v that sucks, i recommend avoiding zonealarm free like the plague. I suppose for everyday computer users its okay but its useless for assembly programmers as it seems to patch every program that's executed to start with the instruction jmp 7FFA0000. Obviously this screws up interactive debugging
I was sure i had some form of subtle virus that was avoiding detection and was about to reinstall the os, thank god i stumbled across this thread
http://forum.tuts4you.com/index.php?showtopic=21878
Bill - if you look in norton's book, you can see he wasn't really a great programmer - lol
billy gates wasn't all that hot either
i have disassembled miles of code written by both of them
of course, back then, i suppose noone was really good at it yet
what got norton going was the fact that he was a columnist in a couple of the old magazines
back then, i was a big fan of Ray Duncan
Dave,
True, but Norton knew enough to write other books such as IBM PC, PC DOS and The Peter Norton Programmer's Guide to the IBM-PC. He and his buddy John Socha where the authors of the Norton Utilities and Norton Commander products way back in the mid 80's as I recall. Peter must be getting pretty close to 70 years old by now.
MHO, Billy Gates and Steve Jobs are both pirates who created nothing and built their empires off the knowledge of others. They are damn good business men though and had the foresight to see that there would be a market for business and home PC's.
I have Ray Duncan's MS-DOS Functions book, his IBM ROM BIOS reference book and his Advanced MS-DOS Programming book. All great books!
There were many asm authors back then such as Michael Tischer, Tom Swan, Terry Dettmann, Allen L Wyatt, Larry Joel Goldstein, Harley Hahn, William H. Murray Jr, Christ Pappas, Frank Van Gilluwe, Leo J Scanlon and Marcus Johnson just to name few. :bg
Somewhere in the distant past was a tool called something like BAT2EXEC and from memory the author was Keith P. Graham and this was an excellent example of very well written MASM code. It was a .MODEL TINY com file that compiled dos batch files into working COM files. I own a copy of the Norton Socha book and it was a waste of money even back then in the DOS days. I learnt MASM in the old days from the Microsoft literature, the code I could find in the early BBS days and by test piece (many of them).
About the only other classy assembler code that I saw in about 1994 was a leaked copy of Microsoft COMMAND.COM which was a very professional project properly documented and well written. The vast majority of early assembler code was obscure badly written undocumented CRAP.
QuoteThe vast majority of early assembler code was obscure badly written undocumented CRAP.
lol - it sounds like you disassembled DOS version 2
DOS v 1 wasn't too bad - it just didn't do much (no directories - lol)
Quote from: hutch-- on January 03, 2010, 11:28:24 PM
Somewhere in the distant past was a tool called something like BAT2EXEC and from memory the author was Keith P. Graham and this was an excellent example of very well written MASM code.
I have bat2exec.com and attached it to this post it also includes the source. The one I have was from 1990 PC Magazine by Douglas Boling. Is that the file you referred to Steve?
i remember that program
i wrote a very small program that would allow command-line machine language code to be executed
it would allow most binary values to be entered as "literal" ASCII
some characters cannot be entered that way because of the way the batch file interprets them
or because of the way the text editor treats them (or both)
use of a single quote or a double quote would switch between literal parsing and hex-byte parsing
if there was no command-line code, it would display the date/time (lined up with DIR disk-space report)
that makes for a very flexible batch utility - you can do a lot with 100 bytes of command-line code
you could expand batch variables lke "%1" inside your program
i still use it from time to time
i updated this one so the date/time string would line up with XP DIR results instead of DOS
16-bit code, of course - 384 bytes :bg
try this out - lol
C\> BU ba0801b409cd21c3'Hello World$
i'll see if i can find the source and docs for you guys :bg
Quote from: hutch-- on January 03, 2010, 11:28:24 PM
The vast majority of early assembler code was obscure badly written undocumented CRAP.
Well that may be true Steve but those crappy books and asm code helped fuel the fire and encouraged me to learn asm and to be a better asm programmer then the author who wrote the book. I was referring to the old DOS days of programming when most everyone learning asm wrote crappy code.
So what's your point, that we were all crappy coders back in the early to mid eighties ?? (http://www.quickersoft.com/gigglesmile.gif)
it was easy to be good with the 8086 CPU
each processor that came out after that made it harder and harder to be anything like a "master"
back in the day, i was "pretty good"
with the advent of mmx/sse/etc, i am a total n00b :bg
Hi,
Well there is some possibility that one can learn to do a
bit better if they stay at it. Recently I went and looked at
some of my old code to revisit Sobel image processing.
One of the utilities I wrote back when was annoying me,
so I rewrote It. Got about a 26x speedup.
A lot of the code in the old books looked good until you
tried to use it. The Waite Group's "MS-DOS Developer's
Guide" had a lot of good stuff, but some buggy code as
well.
Others were too good, you had no real idea why they were
doing some things. Holzner and Abrash come to mind.
One of the best of the early books was "Assembly Language
Programming for the IBM Personal Computer" by David J.
Bradley, 1984. Nice and clear discussion of the instruction
sets of the 8088 and 8087 for its time.
Regards,
Steve N.
Bill,
> So what's your point, that we were all crappy coders back in the early to mid eighties ??
No, it was more a case in the pre-internet era that you rarely ever got to see the good stuff. It was not until the BBS era that you found much at all and only in the internet era that you found the masterpieces. I remember the leaked COMMAND>COM code from Microsoft was genuine class for 16 bit DOS code and the source for Keith Graham's BAT2EXEC was much the same.