Wall Street protesters gathering pace.

[dedndave]

I always felt that the voting system need a "None of the above" place to check. And if the majority
vote none of the above, new elections need to be made with none of the candidates presented.

i like this one - and it has some possiblity of being seen as constitutional
the other ideas would not even be considered

[MichaelW]

At the end the main problem of democracy is that the vote of a fool have the same weight as the vote of the informed. Thus the fools with tribe mentality will always be the one that decide to elect people that do not give a shit about them.

I feel compelled to point out that the democracy we have now is not what the founding fathers set up.

[dedndave]

to be honest, the ones that really screw us (as far as electing presidents) are the democratic and republican parties
they select the candidates - not us
i always find myself choosing between "the lesser of two evils" - that is hardly democracy in action   :'(

[redskull]

I wish the masses would realize that the only true vote they have is what they do with their money; waiting for politicans, left or right, to make a difference is a waste of time.  It's sensless to sit around protesting wall street, bank bailouts, and the disappearing middle class while at the same time you are contributing to a 401K, paying back a car loan, and buying all chinese-made clothes.  Wall Street can survive a bunch of people sitting around yelling; it can't survive everyone pulling their money out.  If you don't like stock market greed, don't buy stock, don't put your money into banks that invest in the market, and don't buy products from publicly traded companies.  No company is big enough or has enough political lobbying to exist without anyone buying their crap.

-r

[dedndave]

yah - i am sure the wall st people are sitting at home, doing business as usual online
the ones that go to work on wall st are not the problem, anyways
the ones we need to target are the wealthy that don't go to work at all, including politicians

[Gunner]

Funny, there are a lot people there under 30 still living with mommy and daddy.  Never had to struggle.  Some, never even had a job yet..  They are students.  WAHHHH, people make money and LOTS of it get over it that is life.  Wall street is NOT the root of the evil, it GOVERNMENT.  Go protest in Washington.

Sure banks are adding fees upon fees from everything from using THEIR/others ATMs, fees for using Debit Cards are the new thing now.  That is life.  What the government SHOULD of done before any bailout/tax breaks, was to get a pair of balls and say, NO..  take a million dollar cut in your yearly bonus (for doing shit), get rid of some fees or lower some fees (to help the little guys)  Wanna create jobs again?  Tell em to STOP shipping jobs over seas.  Tell them their main headquarters HAS to be in THIS country. 

Yeah, I don't like what banks and large companies turned into today, but not their fault.  It is government.  As long as they can "donate" to their favorite candidate, then this crap will continue.  Go protest Washington

[xanatose]

Funny, there are a lot people there under 30 still living with mommy and daddy.  Never had to struggle.  Some, never even had a job yet..  They are students.  WAHHHH, people make money and LOTS of it get over it that is life.  Wall street is NOT the root of the evil, it GOVERNMENT.  Go protest in Washington.

Sure banks are adding fees upon fees from everything from using THEIR/others ATMs, fees for using Debit Cards are the new thing now.  That is life.  What the government SHOULD of done before any bailout/tax breaks, was to get a pair of balls and say, NO..  take a million dollar cut in your yearly bonus (for doing shit), get rid of some fees or lower some fees (to help the little guys)  Wanna create jobs again?  Tell em to STOP shipping jobs over seas.  Tell them their main headquarters HAS to be in THIS country. 

Yeah, I don't like what banks and large companies turned into today, but not their fault.  It is government.  As long as they can "donate" to their favorite candidate, then this crap will continue.  Go protest Washington

Sorry, but it makes no sense. If Government where the only problem then the problem would be local only to the USA and not on global scale. Money is condensing on a few worldwide, and not only in the USA.

Banks decide the value of currencies. For each currency pair they post 2 prices,  One is "I will buy each at this price" the other is "I will sell each at this price". The only deciding factor on those prices is whatever each bank decide. Thus currencies are based on nothing but how the bankis feel.  It used to be that the note you carry in your pocket was backed up by gold. Now they are not backed up by anything. The Federal Reserve is just a private organization that creates money from thin air in the USA. And if about as Federal as Federal Express. But almost all other countries do the same.

We do not really live on capitalism. We live on a rigged game that is the illusion of capitalism. As long as one party can create money from thin air (well electrical signals), the system will always be rigged. Governments have just been duped by the banking cartels and the Wall street guys are just one part of this deception.

Why we do not go back to the gold standard? Because Fort Knox is most likely empty. If is empty, a hyperinflation would occur. Meaning that tomorrow a big mac might cost $2,000. Needless to say that this would create a civil war. Thus, Government is stuck in the BS created by the bankers.

[oex]

It is the job of government/religion to contemplate the moral fabric of society.... This is the 'joke' profession as although these people make the laws that shape the rest of society man always 'plays god' in this role....

Money is like gravity.... It is the job of banks to distribute the money *risk* in the form of loans to companies who will employ people to do respectable and worthwhile jobs for the community.... Unfortunately the banks got lost in the source code and decided to just play mathematical games with themselves instead....

It is the responsibility of companies to produce products both that the community wants and needs and products that help to shape a moral fabric of society.... Unfortunately (he says, sipping beer at 13:30) the companies produce products that are bad for the community which they know will be abused....

It is the responsibility of the community to purchase products and services from organisations who represent AND UPHOLD the ideals of society.... Unfortunately this is the weakest link.... The only thing holding the community to account is their morality.... Something very hard to achieve a high standard in as either the average is taken or society is seperated into the haves/have nots and there are always more have nots.... In addition, morality does not pay the bills or feed the starving so rarely at the corporations held to account....

It is the responsibility of the media to debate and shape the ideals of society with rigor.... Unfortunately they monopolise on the short attention span of the community with a 'sex sells' attitude.... Though we celebrate the greats of literature I expect less than 1% could name but a handful and less still would understand why they were great....

Unfortunately such a situation as we have now only highlights the weaknesses of the human race.... Which is also kinda the point of a recession.... Acceptance of our own failures.... Using more energy than we are able to produce long-term.... Employing the wrong people in power.... General lack of responsibility at all levels :lol....

Right now I have that off my chest I'm going to crack open another beer.... They are currently on offer :wink....

[hutch--]

It seems pretty much the case that Wall Street and the corporate sector generally have Government by the balls and this is the case among most western countries where the greedy few will keep ripping the guts out of every economy they can for as long as they can.

The problem (for them) is that when enough people are unhappy, hungry and unemployed it starts to get risky so they twist Government's balls a bit harder to suppress all of these people with fear, bullshit, distractions and the like so they can keep PHUKING over the economy.

The real risk is that as thing keep getting worse, Governments will have more and more problems containing a vast number of unhappy people and may lose control as so many people start responding to being ripped off. With memories of the French revolution, perhaps this is the way forward.

[Bill Cravener]

Reminds me of my youth and the national uprising against the Vietnam War. There were many who said we were un-American and simply bums when the fact was our rebellion made a difference and helped to end that hideous war. If you've followed any of this OWS stuff it's made up of mostly young people, college students, folks who have lost their homes and folks who can't find work. What comes of it I don't know? Winters coming and its difficult to live out doors in freezing temperatures. I hope this rebellion continues but I fear the cold of winter will end it all. America needs a revolution against that 1% I call the greedy-in-power. After all we out number them immensely.

[xanatose]

I think this message apply to the general sentiment of the 99%.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT6HNsmdGPQ&feature=related

Altough I do not buy the BS that non violence will resolve things. As it didn't work for the Jews on WW2 to be passive. At the end only a combination of violent and non violent is what bring change. Even the civil right movement of Luther King would have not work if it not for the Deacons:
http://www.amazon.com/Deacons-Defense-Resistance-Movement-ebook/dp/B003E7EU0M/ref=wl_it_dp_o_npd?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2N9NXVVD27FNS&colid=8T8CO5AM6TP5

Any way, its main point is people should start acting and doing things because its right and not because is convenient or because of fear. Until that happen, there will be no change. And for that too happen, people need to start thinking for themselves and not for what X or Y "leader" tells them to think. As only a person capable of thinking for himself/herself is capable of knowing right from wrong.

[Astro]

I always felt that the voting system need a "None of the above" place to check. And if the majority
vote none of the above, new elections need to be made with none of the candidates presented.

i like this one - and it has some possiblity of being seen as constitutional
the other ideas would not even be considered

I like this idea!!!!

only a person capable of thinking for himself/herself is capable of

seeing things for what they are and fixing them, or throwing them out as junk.

Religion is totally corrupt, as are most Governments. I note that NO-ONE - NOT ONE - person involved in the church child sex abuse scandal has been prosecuted for their crimes. WTF!!!!!!!!! People don't care, and Governments are complicit in failing to do a damn thing about it.

In the last week or two the Minister for Defence had to resign as he was running a parallel foreign policy to government and was dragging a lobbyist around at tax payers expense, among many other very serious things.

There has never been a better case for chucking out this current rotten system and starting over. We need a damn revolution, but it won't happen as people eat the BS they are fed in the media. People have been dumbed down by the education system in order that they can not think for themselves, all the time thinking things are improving!!! You only need to see the standard of written English these days to see the opposite is true.

Europe is currently eating this country alive. It is a modern day dictatorship, but people are yet to wake up and realize what it is doing.

[oex]

I always felt that the voting system need a "None of the above" place to check. And if the majority
vote none of the above, new elections need to be made with none of the candidates presented.

i like this one - and it has some possiblity of being seen as constitutional
the other ideas would not even be considered

I like this idea!!!!

Would anyone ever be elected?

[xanatose]

I always felt that the voting system need a "None of the above" place to check. And if the majority
vote none of the above, new elections need to be made with none of the candidates presented.

i like this one - and it has some possiblity of being seen as constitutional
the other ideas would not even be considered

I like this idea!!!!

Would anyone ever be elected?

I would say yes, but ff not, then is a sign that the country is too polarized to be a country.

[Magnum]

A big part of the problem is the mere 10% of the population who actually vote.

We need honest independents running for office who are financed only by individual contributors and who have open books.

Not gonna happen, but it would be nice.  :bg