humanity's true nature

[anunitu]

I have thought about this for some time,and from how we humans do things, I think it is our nature to be violent,the ones that press for a peaceful world may be considered to have evolved to a point they can control their violent nature. Mainly this struck me while watching a trailer for a new movie about people fighting robots against each other. In a world where we have built and created such a high degree 
of scientific tech,we use even this to slake our lust for violence. Deep down we are that animal Ancestor with a shallow coat of Chivlized behaivor to seem tame.

Just my take,and it saddens me that we are still killing each other for stupid reasons.

[Farabi]

People who never felt lost will never appreciate peace. I've had enough with violence and cant Take it anymore. There are so many way for people to survive, mostly team up and kill the others. Some people who lack of ability change their survival tactic to another else, and so on. Most people think that making peace is a loser way for surviving, but maybe yes, but this is the best way I will keep, at least untill I die. There is no point on fighting, I want joy, not pain or tears.

I want money, I want girls, I want EVDO touchscreen cellphone, I want PS3/xBox360 with kinect with a lot of software, I want a highspeed internet access and the list is go on. Not a expensive "gift" like a tomahawk hitting my roof. I want joy.

[oex]

I want money, I want girls, I want EVDO touchscreen cellphone, I want PS3/xBox360 with kinect with a lot of software, I want a highspeed internet access and the list is go on.

And therein is the catch.... More want than availability.... Scarcity of resource.... For all those wants you can not define the true cost.... To other people, to the environment, to the society of tomorrow....

The shame is.... The attitude "I need and this is what I will do to pay for it" has no reward.... It is unsupported....

Thus.... Everyone remains poorer, people fight over scarce resources with a "survival of the fittest" mentality where the fittest are not those who work hardest or produce the best results but those who are backed by the wealthiest countries, religions, universities, companies etc etc simply for the benefit of those establishments :lol.... Survival of the "????".... Heaviest Concept?.... Sounds like a black hole mentality to me....

[carlos]

Hi to all

when I was a young boy, at the start of the 70's, I was reading a pseudoscience magazine, and saw a vignette who impress me so much I remember it to this day. In the background a Saturn V (the popular icon of science and progress afther the moon landings) was in his way to the stars, in the foreground a caveman was standing watching the rocket with a stone axe in his hand, and the caption said. " The mas is a primitive creature that see the starship soar to the sky, while his hand rest in the battle bloodied stone axe" At that time, I didn't understand that vignette,  I regarded it as incongruent, but time and life made me wiser (at least a little wiser) and today I understand the deep truth of that vignette


Greetings, Carlos

[hutch--]

 :bg

Onan,

> I want money, I want girls, I want EVDO touchscreen cellphone, I want PS3/xBox360 with kinect with a lot of software, I want a highspeed internet access and the list is go on. Not a expensive "gift" like a tomahawk hitting my roof. I want joy.

Money, OK if you can control it, not it you.
Girls, fun but can be risky.
Touchphone, who cares.
PS3/xBOX360, yawn.
High speed internet access, GOOD :)
Tomahawk on your roof, BAD.
Joy, a useful target for you.

[vanjast]

If you want girls, switch off your computer and get outside.
Hang out at bars, join hiking groups, computer clubs...etc
... keep away from the 'easy' girls, they pass on VD's easily.
:wink

[Farabi]

Well, maybe it is a good reason for us to maintaining peace, I used to poverty, I got no problem with that.

See this if you got guts http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=3315389
War is even worse.

[Farabi]

Peter, honestly no one back me up. Im just asking help to anyone I can, they came to help, mostly, no one help and I need to use a different way to escape.

[oex]

It is very hard to escape even here in the UK :lol.... There are some real nutcases around here (I'm probably one of them).... Seriously though Onan it is not like anywhere is a land of milk and honey right now.... The US and the UK are in recession, the Chinese are being worked to death by Apple Foxconn, Africa is developing, the poles are melting.... There is very little sanity anywhere in the world.... Many times I've shouted in vain into a clear night sky "Beam me up Scotty" but in reality, qualifications, hard work *and luck* will get you anywhere you want to go....

In another country expect to face racist/anti-religious views (regardless of whether you are religious or not), more pollution, language difficulties, even less sanity with even more dangerous technologies....

I can be pretty sure that I have earnt less than you have in the last 5-10 years, also have no pension (not even state pension), have debts (probably more than you have earnt in the last 5-10 years), no home, no car, no mobile phone, no qualifications past 17 years old, only an occasional opportunity to afford to meet with friends (leaving a 20-40 mile radius is too expensive).... We are caged like animals where-ever we live by one means or another be it financal, visas etc etc....

I have never cheated anybody and here, generally, in my experience, this is a bad thing if you want to have a life.... While your culture may be morally extreme, mine is morally bankrupt.... All you can do is keep trying to do the right think and hope your hard work will pay off.... Dont drink, dont do drugs, focus on the right things and hope that someone sees some political merit in supporting the right things you stand up for.... Or give in to the insanity and run with the pack....

The point is I doubt anyone here could save you from your country.... Their countries are also as bent and twisted only in different ways....To move countries you will pay for the rest of your life most likely in cheap labour and a bad education, bad healthcare, hard won friendships that havent lasted a lifetime.... Your children will also probably further pay in school to some degree and miss their cultural heritage.... These are some of the costs of what you propose....

If your life is in danger you could go to foreign embassy and ask for asylum however without proof of torture or somesuch I doubt you would get it....

In my experience people are only likely and able to help when you can do something for them that benefits them more.... I guess you'd call that 'business' :lol.... Work on your skills :wink.... This is not because people are evil or nasty or bad (sometimes).... Simply that they also have to survive under adverse conditions....

Wherever you go the world has problems.... Work out what problems you are able to fix and how you will support the people of any country and they will welcome you with open arms however do not expect this to be easy to accomplish.... This is a one time life commitment for most people and you can end up in a far worse place.... Without the backup and support of lifelong friendships and family ties....

[anunitu]

On this subject,something that came up in the Republican debates(Or the Tea Party debates) concerned if a person had no medical coverage should just be left to die. It reminded me of something that the Germans did. The phrase "life unworthy of life" (in German: "Lebensunwertes Leben") was a Nazi designation for the segments of populace which had no right to live and thus were to be "euthanized". The term included people with serious medical problems and those considered grossly inferior according to racial policy of the Third Reich, This concept formed an important component of the ideology of Nazism and eventually helped lead to the Holocaust.

This attitude by the Tea Baggers and Republicans seems strange what with their pro life stance. But,Christians have in the past shown their true colors with the burnings and Torture of those that didn't follow exactly the "Churchs" policy.
The crucades also come to mind.

Here is an interesting post on this subject.

http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5436

[Farabi]

Peter:
I dont know who they are but if you read the newspaper here sometime they had the same word like I said, I though it was from here, maybe somewhere else  :green2
Yeah, I'll do what I can to stand up the good thing is.

[Farabi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntDkr8keq2Q&feature=related

Still wanting a war? Look at this craps. They ate their enemys, raw. I warned you, this video is disgusting. It told about the story on africa where the people believe magics. The result is? You know that, they dead by bullets. There is no thing such a magics, science rule. Magic fake, only mass effect is true. Curse the war and who bring it.

Honestly, this is the year I saw real gore on my life. I used to heard about accident, die, corpse, victim etc. But this is my first time saw an exploded head, cutted limbs, and fresh blood. That experiece really shocking me. Im losing my words for a few days. Blank mind on silence. Fear, desperate. I felt helpless, and afraid something like that happened here. War is cruel, war movies and game was lie, like when you shot your enemys. It is exploded, scatter everywhere, it is freakfull.

[TmX]

War is cruel, war movies and game was lie, like when you shot your enemys. It is exploded, scatter everywhere, it is freakfull.

I'm agree with you. War is ugly. But imagine you were facing such situation, and you could not avoid it at all. What would you do?

:wink

[Farabi]

War is cruel, war movies and game was lie, like when you shot your enemys. It is exploded, scatter everywhere, it is freakfull.

I'm agree with you. War is ugly. But imagine you were facing such situation, and you could not avoid it at all. What would you do?

:wink

I'll do anything to survive.

[xanatose]

Greed by itself is not good or evil. Is when is accompanied by apathy that it turns into evil.

The root of all evil is not hate, nor greed, is apathy, when you are incapable of seeing another living being as a living being and instead see it as an object. Thing is, that we are all capable of disconnect this way.

When was the last time you thought of the suffering of the cow when you eat a hamburger? Chances are, never. The same mechanism happen when person A decides to something that will harm person B.

Unless person A is a sadist, chances are that he/she have not thought about the harm is causing person B. The purpose of person A is not harming person B, the purpose is of getting what he/she wants.

Heck the same mechanism is activated on once caring doctors and nurses. Over time, many become apathetic in order to cope with what they see day to day.