JFYI: Lost static libraries

[Oleg Stefanov]

Hi,

Original GLAUX.LIB, SCRNSAVE.LIB, and SCRNSAVW.LIB are not import libraries!

Why have you excluded them from the package :'( and replaced with something terrible?  :wink

Best regards,
Oleg Stefanov.

[hutch--]

Oleg,

get them from a Microsoft SDK that suits your OS version. The libraries are built rather than copied to save over 2 meg in the MASM32 distribution.

[Oleg Stefanov]

Dear Steve,

get them from a Microsoft SDK that suits your OS version. The libraries are built rather than copied to save over 2 meg in the MASM32 distribution.

I have them. My problem is another :wink BTW, these libraries do not depend on OS versions. They can work in any 32-bit Windows.

Why are they "built" at all? The resulting libraries are wrong!

OK, I agree, GLAUX is too large. Moreover, the library is obsolete. Instead, modern OpenGL developers prefer to use GLUT.

But what about SCRNSAVE and SCRNSAVW? They both are small, IMHO.

Recently I wrote a small free tutorial (in Russian) on "how to create screen savers in assembly" and gave it to my friends to test it before publishing. They told me that all my examples for MASM32 cannot work in 8th version. To tell the truth, I did not beleive them :green and I had to download this version of your package to make sure they are right  :(

What should I do in this situation? :'(

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Best regards,
Oleg Stefanov.

P.S.
Sorry for my poor English.

[hutch--]

Oleg,

The later OS version tend to have more things in the libraries so its better to get the libraries for that particular OS version. With MASM32 taking large bandwidth on multiple servers, I have little choice then to keep its installation as small as possible and each meg increase in size jumps the bandwidth demand up by a large amount. It means that a few of the libraries are incorrect but its nt many and the person who wishes to code using those libraries can get them directly from Microsoft for FREE.

[Oleg Stefanov]

Dear Steve,

The later OS version tend to have more things in the libraries so its better to get the libraries for that particular OS version.

Steve, is it a joke?  :bg Have you ever seen the sources of the libraries? They have not been changed for last 10 years!  :lol

If I understand you correctly, you are not going to distribute SCRNSAVE.LIB any more because the library is too large (37 kilobytes), aren't you? Well, if so, I will have to exclude the chapter about MASM32 from the tutorial mentioned above, alas  :'(

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Best regards,
Oleg Stefanov.

[hutch--]

Oleg,

I think you have missed the drift of what is going on, I basically have the choice of distributing ALL of the SDK libraries OR building them myself. The complete set of SDK libraries are just under 30 meg and the problem is even with the best compression I can get (licenced 7zip) the package ends up too big. The MASM32 project pased the 1 million download count some years ago and it stays up on the net with a lot of help from friends who have provided high bandwidth servers to carry the load.

The availability is possible because I changed the installation a version ago so it built the libraries it could build from the include files and this means some code is not available. For example some of the COM code in shell32.lib is not there, some of the OpenGL code is not there and there are a few others as well but as this stuff is used by a very small percentage of people so it is viable for them to go to Microsoft and DOWNLOAD the PLATFORMSDK to get every library supplied by Microsoft in its most up to date form.

[Oleg Stefanov]

Steve,

OK, I agree. And I will find a way to provide the libraries to my readers.

But how can I explain them the reason why your installation program builds 3 import libraries for never-existent DLLs?  :wink

[hutch--]

 :bg

Easy,

Ask them how many gigabytes of bandwidth they can supply.  :P

[MichaelW]

Platform SDK Release: February 2003

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[Oleg Stefanov]

Steve,

Ask them how many gigabytes of bandwidth they can supply.  :P

OK, I will  :bg

[Oleg Stefanov]

Michael,

Platform SDK Release: February 2003

I have the SDK. But what do you want to say?

[hutch--]

Micheal was making th3e point that te later libraies are smaller than the ones I listed which were from the Whistler edition SDK circa 2001. I have the libraries from the server 2003 sdk but with the VCTOOLKIT libraies added, it totals 33 meg.

[MichaelW]

Micheal was making th3e point that te later libraies are smaller than the ones I listed which were from the Whistler edition SDK circa 2001.

Yes, I was, but I was not disagreeing with your decision to not include them in the MASM32 distribution. The SDK is easy enough to obtain, and anyone developing for Windows who does not have it, probably should.

[Oleg Stefanov]

Steve,

Their sizes differ in every VC version but they contain the same code.

Michael,

OK, now I also agree with his decision. But I cannot agree with building those 3 libraries with BLDLIBS.BAT. This action can mislead some people.

[Scronty]

Afternoon, Oleg Stefanov.

Unless someone is willing to supply Steve with a complete list of all static libraries, there just isn't any point in adding them piecemeal within the Masm32 project.

Cheers,
Scronty