Re: MASM now on the Web!

[zooba]

Nothing wrong with production code being written in VB. The tool/IDE/language doesn't prevent people from writing good code, much as the anti-VB people would like to think. Of course, the 'less-good' coders never release anything in C/C++, so it doesn't get a name for having poor coders using it. Unfortunately, VB has got this name, and those of us who do write properly (ie. strong typing, comments, etc.) still get accused of not being 'real' coders.

There's nothing I can't do with VB6 and ASM - C is middle-ground that I don't need.

[gwapo]

At least these anti-VB people doesn't realy know what VB's real capability. They are more like "me too" kind of people, who once someone found a fault to VB, they just simply say "oh oh, me too, me too!".

It's a matter of preference I think, I don't know much about VB6, so for me, I can write faster GUI applications with MFC. But others would prefer VB6, for the same reason that they don't know MFC.

Cheers,

-chris

[P1]

Management ( in general ) seems to think that VB is better as a resource than C.  Noting, they think C is too hard or too expensive to maintain.  Or is it that VB programmers still speak in English.   ::)

Regards,  P1  :8)

[hutch--]

I have posted at a later version of WINDOWS.INC that has had all of the old MASM format records replaced with the documented structures from the platformsdk. This should make it fully compatible with ML version 8.0.

http://www.masm32.com/board/index.php?topic=5215.new#new

[gabor]

Hello!

I read through all the posts. Now is it of any use to change to MASM 8.0? I got a slightly worried about the benefits of using MASM at all  :red
What about Pelle's assembler? I guess I'll start to concentrate on that project because (I don't say this maliciously) I don't really believe that Microsoft has any interest of publishing a really uptodate and usefull assembler for they concentrate on C++ and C#.

Greets, Gábor

[Vortex]

Hi Gabor,

Pelle's assembler Poasm is a nearly MASM compatible tool, it assembles the majority of MASM code without any serious problem. The tool emits MS COFF object files and it has some very powefull keywords like INCBIN to embed binary files to the main module. The main difference with Masm is the macro engine but I can tell that Poasm has very good macro capabilities.
Pelle is updating regulary the tool. We have a subforum for Poasm :

http://www.masm32.com/board/index.php?board=42.0

[vid]

also note that SDK and DDK EULA prohobits you to use MASM or apps written in MASM in

any country to which the U.S. has embargoed or restricted the export of goods or services, which currently include, but are not necessarily limited to Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria, or to any national of any such country, wherever located, who intends to transmit or transport the products back to such country

[Ehtyar]

*Rolls eyes*. The team at MS who write these things really need to die...slowly...

Ehtyar.

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Vid, i see you have crossed over to the dark side, congrats ;)
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[Rockphorr]

It doesn't require VC Express (or any Visual Studio product) if you just unzip it.

It is very good. I will try just unzip it.

[cute cheetah]

I extracted the MASMsetup.EXE with uniextract v1.42,then found setup.exe,use uniextract v1.42 again ,then found vc_masm1.cab and vc_masm.msi,extract vc_masm.msi with uniextract v1.42,then found ml.exe.
funny :toothy :green :green2

[hutch--]

Guys,

for all the exotic methods of extracting ML.EXE, if you don't have the correct DLLs installed from the NET package, it won't run. It is different from earlier version of ML that would run without any special DLL.

[Ehtyar]

Oh that is just gross. MS pulled that same s**t!!!!!!!!!!! with the sysinternals tools, the executables were half the size before MS took over. Absolutely disgusting.

Ehtyar.

[StarsInTheSky]

Is Microsoft reading?  What would it take to order a release of masm that we will be happy with?

I doubt anyone is interested in it working with vc++. All that is wanted is that it is bug free / backwards compliant app including new instruction sets, without dependencies etc. right?

[PBrennick]

StarsInTheSky,
Microsoft does not control what is in the instruction set. It is integral to the CPU. The rest, well, you never know what might happen. This will probably be a slow process but I think it will come. Critical parts of the OS are written in assembly and you can be certain they are using something that is up-to-date and only available internally.

Paul

[Ehtyar]

Critical parts of the OS are written in assembly and you can be certain they are using something that is up-to-date and only available internally.

Bastards.